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Old 05-15-2008, 05:58 PM   #2751
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Its not that you're always wrong, its that you are horrible at arguing and convincing people to see your side imo. Your writeup of Worthy convinced NOBODY to change their opinions. And here someone critiques Bosh's defense and you point out his blocks which does not necessarily mean good defense at all....but not only that, you don't actually point out his blocks per game but you just vaguely mention that he leads a team that just joined the league in recent history in career blocks.

If you believe Bosh is a good defender, then thats fine- differing views are what make this draft great. But put forth a solid argument and try to actually convince us.
Unlike most, I actually have some "work" to do... The fact is Bosh is young, still rough around the edges but has the makings and tools to be a great leader and star in this league. His versatility at the 4 and 5 makes him a great value choice moving forward into the draft, he's definately more promising at the 4 spot. I don't think his defense is anything noteworthy but I also think that comparing him to a poor defender is unjust. Granted, there are plenty of guys on this list who are "one sided" players. I don't feel that the pick should require a lot of convincing, most guys thought I got him at a good spot, those who did not agree will not be getting any trade requests from me! lol peace out
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:59 PM   #2752
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Man, that sucks. I really wanted Rodman on my fast paced run-and-chuck team.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:00 PM   #2753
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Man I love Rodman. Very underrated player. Not sure I heart the pairing, but it takes 5 baby so I'll reserve judgment.
They will be the skinniest team 4 sure
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:02 PM   #2754
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By efficiency, I meant: 23.88, 22.72, 23.23. His last 3 years. He is legit.
ya except those dont even matter. dude isnt even 24. for the purpose of this draft hes still an unproven rookie.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:03 PM   #2755
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you're right, and so is kc, when he says he'll reserve the right to pass judgment after seeing a team or 5 starters or a 3 core or whatever. it's just that, imo, this team doesnt look like it's built to be that efficient offensively or defensively, which could be a problem in this league
I guess we'll have to see how it pans out.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:04 PM   #2756
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is there a way to check who has the most posts in this thread?
<------#1, bitches!!!
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:04 PM   #2757
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This nearly categorizes how young and uneducated this draft is. You sit around talking about PER without ever seeing him play a game! lmao And saying there are "guys out there with insanely sick value" is a mockery at the game of basketball. You can't compare a guy who's played 2 or 3 seasons to the likes of all time greats. fact and end of story
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Unlike most, I actually have some "work" to do... The fact is Bosh is young, still rough around the edges but has the makings and tools to be a great leader and star in this league.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:07 PM   #2758
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BigCat taking someone who isn't among the all-time greats or in the hall of fame in the early 2nd round is a mockery to the game of basketball imo
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:07 PM   #2759
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Rodman was a great pick imo
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:09 PM   #2760
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Dumars,

Seems like a reach to me. Good player, definitely going in this round, but I think taken a little early.
Totally disagree. Dumars wasn't one of the 3 I wanted to trade up for, but he was probably 4th or 5th on my list. He brings great defense and great efficiency despite shooting a decent amount- how many players bring that combo? And I think thats the most important combo to have in this league. Love love love the pick.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:10 PM   #2761
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Also I am like 90 percent sure sergz will take the player I wanted besides Billups and it will be a great pick.

Edit: wow ok, nm he didn't.
PM me the player you're thinking of because I'm pretty sure we have the same player in mind and I"m curious(note: no way it'll influence me as I definitely have 3 guys I want, so don't worry about that)
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:10 PM   #2762
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Totally disagree. Dumars wasn't one of the 3 I wanted to trade up for, but he was probably 4th or 5th on my list. He brings great defense and great efficiency despite shooting a decent amount- how many players bring that combo? And I think thats the most important combo to have in this league. Love love love the pick.
a ton actually at the sg/sf spot bring this, although if he plays dumars at pg I love the pick a lot more which I think he will.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:11 PM   #2763
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tbach with the mid-late 90s all stars. Was wondering where Kemp would go.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:12 PM   #2764
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tbach with the mid-late 90s all stars. Was wondering where Kemp would go.
He was the best PF available at my pick IMO (besides probably Brand, but Kemp fits better with Hill)
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:13 PM   #2765
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tbach with the mid-late 90s all stars. Was wondering where Kemp would go.
I really, really like his team. Although will be funny in the last season when Grant Hill has 1 ankle and Shawn Kemp has no nose.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:14 PM   #2766
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:14 PM   #2767
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i like kemp.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:14 PM   #2768
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IMO I have easily the best foundation at this point

oh and oh man just wait til you guys see what I have in store for the rest of this
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:14 PM   #2769
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I hope the draft gets back to me tonight....otherwise it might be hard for me to get the pick in before Saturday.
Please PM someone behind you with a list then(not someone like me who may trade up though).
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:15 PM   #2770
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I haven't chimed in much on this thread, but I think Kemp is a great pickup, especially paired with Grant Hill. And in this fantasy draft you don't have to worry about paying him enough so that he can keep up with child support payments!
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:15 PM   #2771
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and 7 kids
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:16 PM   #2772
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BigCat taking someone who isn't among the all-time greats or in the hall of fame in the early 2nd round is a mockery to the game of basketball imo
I properly used "has the makings" I'm not trying to show that he's proven anything. It's just impossible to think you can compare 18 years to 4 or 5. You can't so don't do it....
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:16 PM   #2773
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MEEEEEBenhoe wanted Rodman. I tried to talk him into a Rodman/Bosh or Rodman/Gasol pairing at the turn.
Then I realized that Rodman was 25 as a rookie, didn't hit the start of his peak until 29, rarely ever played even near a full season, and has a career PER of 14.6, which made me completely fall out of love with him. Rodman should actually really drag a team down in this format especially as high as he went.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:17 PM   #2774
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and 7 kids
conservative guess imo
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:18 PM   #2775
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lol at the idea of McHale being underrated, if anything he's grossly overrated by the people in this draft, but I should have known better since half of you are Celtics fans. It makes me almost want to give up already considering some of the ******ed bias that will be involved.
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