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Old 05-15-2008, 05:47 PM   #2726
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the amount of refreshing that's happening right now (not just from me, i'm sure from all of you) is gonna bring the site down
Damn right, my housemates are in disbelief at how involved/excited I am about this thread.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:47 PM   #2727
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I'm doing my pick now. Not telling you guys, gotta wait. Bobbo and GKA don't blab plz.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:48 PM   #2728
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Don't like Rodman with Reggie.
miss, rebound Rodman, long outlet to Reggie, for 3, goot.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:49 PM   #2729
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Where's tdarko?
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:49 PM   #2730
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Bosh is already the all time leader for Blocks in Raptors history, did it in less than five seasons. I could see how that translates into "soft defense", good call once again.
Its not that you're always wrong, its that you are horrible at arguing and convincing people to see your side imo. Your writeup of Worthy convinced NOBODY to change their opinions. And here someone critiques Bosh's defense and you point out his blocks which does not necessarily mean good defense at all....but not only that, you don't actually point out his blocks per game but you just vaguely mention that he leads a team that just joined the league in recent history in career blocks.

If you believe Bosh is a good defender, then thats fine- differing views are what make this draft great. But put forth a solid argument and try to actually convince us.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:49 PM   #2731
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Was thinking last night about where Rodman would go. I'm gonna give it a thumbs-up for now.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:49 PM   #2732
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When I was picking C-Webb I was definitely considering avoiding taking a PF so I could take Rodman later, man he was just a rebounding/defensive machine. I couldnt convince myself with his lack of offense.

Im thinking he went about the right spot here.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:49 PM   #2733
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Rodman is a pretty good pick imo
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:50 PM   #2734
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Reggie + Rodman = Brawl with other team every game.

Reggies gonna be chucking up a lot of shots, fo sho.

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Old 05-15-2008, 05:50 PM   #2735
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Don't like Rodman with Reggie.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:51 PM   #2736
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Man I love Rodman. Very underrated player. Not sure I heart the pairing, but it takes 5 baby so I'll reserve judgment.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:51 PM   #2737
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Bosh is basically KG Junior. It's a somewhat lazy analysis, but in general it holds true. I think Bosh will be in MVP discussions in the future (though will probably fall short due to LeBron). He had an incredible season this year.
I would be willing to bet that Bosh never finishes top 3 in MVP voting in his entire career.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:52 PM   #2738
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Good pick but terrible pairing. The past picks have been guys who compliment the other guy, I am not seeing it with Reggie. Rodman doesn't command double teams (nor does he even command a defender, only a boxer-outter) so it doesn't free Reggie up for shots, and Reggie isn't the high volume shooter enough that you can get low usage guys as spare parts. Further, if you run a jumpshooting offense (which with Reggie as your #1 looks like you're locked into it) there are few around the rim boards for Rodman to clean up (whereas if you ran a PNR alot or if you had a penetrator, weakside and help defense constantly needs to rotate, which would free Rodman to do heavy damage in the interior).

So, on the surface, I'll say this is an example of a very good pick but a very bad pairing...
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:53 PM   #2739
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Damn right, my housemates are in disbelief at how involved/excited I am about this thread.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:53 PM   #2740
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I'm doing my pick now. Not telling you guys, gotta wait. Bobbo and GKA don't blab plz.
so sick bro.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:54 PM   #2741
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Man I love Rodman. Very underrated player. Not sure I heart the pairing, but it takes 5 baby so I'll reserve judgment.
MEEEEEBenhoe wanted Rodman. I tried to talk him into a Rodman/Bosh or Rodman/Gasol pairing at the turn.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:54 PM   #2742
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:54 PM   #2743
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I agree with this. I'm not sure if he'll get MVP consideration though because playing in Canada means less national exposure, and the media doesn't appreciate efficiency enough. Imagine if Mitchell was a good coach and never played Bargs any minutes - Bosh was forced to play the 5 alot this year and I think (like KG, good analogy) he thrives in the 4 spot.


Bosh has a career eFG% of 49.0 and TS% of 56.6.

Hes never been in the top 10 in FG%, FT%, eFG%, TS%, offensive rebound %, defensive rebound %, total rebound %, steal %, block %, or assist % in any season.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:54 PM   #2744
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Good pick but terrible pairing. The past picks have been guys who compliment the other guy, I am not seeing it with Reggie. Rodman doesn't command double teams (nor does he even command a defender, only a boxer-outter) so it doesn't free Reggie up for shots, and Reggie isn't the high volume shooter enough that you can get low usage guys as spare parts. Further, if you run a jumpshooting offense (which with Reggie as your #1 looks like you're locked into it) there are few around the rim boards for Rodman to clean up (whereas if you ran a PNR alot or if you had a penetrator, weakside and help defense constantly needs to rotate, which would free Rodman to do heavy damage in the interior).

So, on the surface, I'll say this is an example of a very good pick but a very bad pairing...
reading this, I now agree that this isn't a good pairing (although I still think in terms of a vaccum Rodman was a good pick although there are a few better players out there).
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:55 PM   #2745
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I would be willing to bet that Bosh never finishes top 3 in MVP voting in his entire career.
I wouldnt bet against this, but do you think he wont finish in the top 3 because he wont deserve it or because the media is stupid? because... i wouldnt be surprised if in the next 5 years he has ONE season that is a top 3 season - but this doesn't mean he'll get media attention.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:55 PM   #2746
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i dont really do anything anyway, so this thread hasnt really gotten me to do even less
LOL +1
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:55 PM   #2747
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Good pick but terrible pairing. The past picks have been guys who compliment the other guy, I am not seeing it with Reggie. Rodman doesn't command double teams (nor does he even command a defender, only a boxer-outter) so it doesn't free Reggie up for shots, and Reggie isn't the high volume shooter enough that you can get low usage guys as spare parts. Further, if you run a jumpshooting offense (which with Reggie as your #1 looks like you're locked into it) there are few around the rim boards for Rodman to clean up (whereas if you ran a PNR alot or if you had a penetrator, weakside and help defense constantly needs to rotate, which would free Rodman to do heavy damage in the interior).

So, on the surface, I'll say this is an example of a very good pick but a very bad pairing...
It's not a 2 on 2 tournament.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:56 PM   #2748
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Man I love Rodman. Very underrated player. Not sure I heart the pairing, but it takes 5 baby so I'll reserve judgment.
agreed
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:57 PM   #2749
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Bosh has a career eFG% of 49.0 and TS% of 56.6.

Hes never been in the top 10 in FG%, FT%, eFG%, TS%, offensive rebound %, defensive rebound %, total rebound %, steal %, block %, or assist % in any season.
By efficiency, I meant: 23.88, 22.72, 23.23. His last 3 years. He is legit.
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It's not a 2 on 2 tournament.
you're right, and so is kc, when he says he'll reserve the right to pass judgment after seeing a team or 5 starters or a 3 core or whatever. it's just that, imo, this team doesnt look like it's built to be that efficient offensively or defensively, which could be a problem in this league
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