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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
Ok but that's kinda misleading, since say if he improves the ppg one by a drastic margin (not saying he will) but every other stat stayed the same, he would have improved a lot, yet only "improved" in 1 catagory. Infact i'd take Deng scoring 35 ppg (obv will never happen, just hypothetical) with the exact same stats across the board, than him slightly improving in every catagory.
Fair point, although I'd obviously be willing to admit his improvement if he did this.
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I disagree with Cowboy.
Cowboy has 3 very good/elite defenders, Payton, Rasheed, and Chandler. Then he has 3 average defenders in LJ, Nick Anderson, and Walker.
I think Rasheed/Chandler are better on defense than McHale and Perkins but it's very close and I could honestly see myself on a different day siding towards McHale/Perkins over Sheed/Chandler. I also think Payton is better than Billups. But Raja+Deng+Martin is a pretty massive edge over LJ+Nick Anderson and Walker imo.
Even though I love Billups, Payton is arguably the best non-big man defender in the draft or even ever(personally I'd go Bowen #1, but its arguable). Theres a SIGNIFICANT gap between the two imo.
"and I could honestly see myself on a different day siding towards McHale/Perkins over Sheed/Chandler."
Its certainly not a blowout, but I would never ever choose your bigs over his(on defense). Its a clear cut edge for him imo.
I think LJ and Nick Anderson are decent, not horrible. Walker is as good as Martin. You do have the edge here for certain, but Raja, while good, isn't in that Payton/Bowen/Artest camp at all imo.
I would favor interior D over wing D any day, and he clearly(imo) has you there, although it can be argued that its close.
Yeah I'd stick with his team on D.
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I also think you and others are drastically undervaluing wing defenders, no way the Spurs are even close to the defensive team that they have been without Bowen, no way the Bulls are even close to the defensive team they were without Jordan or Pippen, no way the Pistons are close to the defensive team they were without Prince, Rockets without Battier etc.
I don't think I am. I think you are undervaluing post defenders.
I think wing defense is one of maybe the top 5 or 6 things for winning basketball games. I definitely think its important. But I think post defense is far and away the #1 aspect for winning basketball games.
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As for sergz, I will conceed his team is better on D than mine, but it's very close
agreed
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I said it already was the least important (never said otherwise). However it is still very important, teams with very good/great PG defenders are a good sized better than if they didn't have them. Players like Payton, Kidd, Billups, Harris etc. improve their teams defense by a very good amount when they are in the game. There are even more elite PG's in this league than in the real NBA, so PG defense is even more important.
fair enough