van_exel_fan: Reggie Miller, Rodman, Artest, Sam Perkins
sergsz: Mutombo, Arenas, Schrempf, Rudy Gay
Jack of Arcades: David Robinson, Terry Porter, Mark Aguirre, AC Green
BigCat: Worthy, Bosh, Baron, Stackhouse
mmbt0ne: nash, ginobili, anthony mason, christie
GKA: paul pierce, gasol, andre miller, kenyon marton
KLJ: Vince Carter, Moncrief, McDyess, Mark Eaton

But I think you guys are ignoring the fact that its very hard to guard a slasher when you've cheated off him too because you're not in good defensive position and stance when he gets the ball. So if you cheat off Wade/Ellis when they're standing at the 3 point line- yes they probably won't shoot the 3 but they'll start their drives with you not in good defensive position which makes it that much harder to defend.

God, this stuff just has to be a level....all of it.

+1

like just now for example?

I think vanexelfan may have the worst offensive team - I just don't see how that team scores outside of running Reg off screens. I don't remember Perk having a good post game, PLs correct me if I'm wrong.

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Am I the only one who thinks Wilt is a bit overrated...I mean, obviously one of the all time greats, no question there. But I think I'd take Shaq and Kareem over him for example.

I honestly think I'd go with Kareem #1 overall. The longevity and position scarcity(and importance) puts him above MJ imo. Plus he could actually shoot FTs.

Russell is tough to evaluate because "he did stuff that doesn't show up in teh numbers" and of course 99% of us didn't see him play, so we really have no clue. But numbers wise hes clearly last, so I'll go on that(btw, holy **** Bill Russell was inefficient):

1. Kareem
2. MJ
3. Shaq
4. Wilt
5. Russell


Btw when you search PBR for "Shaq" you get Shaquille O Neal and Shaquala Williams....at first I forgot that they included WNBA on that site, and I was like "WTF is Shaqula Williams"??

I feel the same way about my favorite game of all time, Tecmo Super Bowl. They're tentatively scheduled to be making a new one IIRC, but I fear too many changes. BTW I'd kick anyone's ass at Tecmo Super Bowl.

Gawd, that BigCat/mmbt0ne block is going to be brutal.

I have never seen him play, but in terms of statistical dominance over an era, Jordan isn't even close to Wilt. His wikipedia, bb-ref, and list of accomplishments are ridiculous.

yeah, im not planning on picking until like friday

Just got home from work...gimme 20 mins

He was also playing at a time where there were very few centers even over 6'9 except for himself

1. Out of the 5, Wilt had by far the least team success despite the fact that there were only 8 teams in the league his rookie year.



2. Wilt's TS% was astoundingly average.



3. In Wilt's rookie year here was the height of the starting centers on the other 7 teams: 6'9", 6'8", 6'9", 7'0", 6'8", 6'10", 6'9". And their weights: 215lbs, 230 lbs, 230lbs, 234 lbs, 220lbs, 230lbs, and 205lbs.



4. Wilt played many more minutes than the others. His per 36 minutes suffer as a result. Per 36 minute stats:

Kareem: 24.1/10.9/3.5
Wilt: 23.6/18.0/3.5
Shaq: 25.1/11.4/2.7
Russell: 12.8/19.1/3.6
MJ: 28.3/5.9/4.9

And keep in mind that Kareem played far longer than the other 3, so his numbers are brought down more by his decline.




5. MVP awards:

Kareem: 6
MJ: 6
Russell: 5
Wilt: 4
Shaq: 1(LOL)


And keep in mind that Wilt/Russell played with far fewer teams and players so they had a much greater shot at winning the award.

Seriously Kareem is just a freak. Consider how injury prone 90% of big men seem to be, especially late in their careers. Then consider that Kareem played 20 seasons and only missed 80 games in his career. He also shot FTs at a 72.1% clip despite being 7'2" tall.

i actually wrote a long response to this, but decided that it's not worth arguing.

cliff's notes from it though: Wilt was in the top 8 in TS% 11 times, having the highest 3 times. I don't consider being able to play more minutes a disadvantage (especially because he barely committed any fouls: 2.0 per game). i don't buy "pound for pound" arguments unless we're transplanting a player in another world because I don't consider being bigger than his peers a disadvantage, at least when talking about dominance over an era. oh and he was really durable too

30/23/4.4, who knows how many blocks. Probably the only player (guessing) to lead the league in points, rebounds and (total) assists on different occasions. whether you consider his best year to be 50/26/2.4 or 24/24/8.6 or something else, I'm not sure it matters.

Eddie Jones is a Forward-Guard, for the record, and has the strength to match up with 3s just fine. I will obviously consider drafting a more traditional 3 in the near future to give my team flexibility though.

Also, what's the deal with the coach stance? Any resolution?

I'm starting to believe Lew Alcindor would be #1, ahead of Shaq, Russell, Jordan, etc.

I think the order would be roughly:

Lew, MJ, Shaq, Wilt, LBJ.

Tee Bee is a career 35.5% 3pt shooter, which although not phenomenal, is above average. He also shot 1.5 attempts a game, so it's not as though he's not capable of doing it. Contrast this to Wade (25.8% on 1.0 attempts game) and Ellis (28.5% on 1.3 attempts a game) and there is a much different story here.

Your team isn't really capable of shooting 3s, period - Tee Bee as my 3rd best 3pt shooter on the floor is quite adept. So... My weakest link is not weak.

Oh wow PLEASE pm me this

pretty sure it's in my easter eggs.

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Tee BEe was a far worse 3 point shooter than wade, even though the numbers may say different, having watched both of them play in their primes.

Tee Bee was coached by a mike fratello team in the 90"s that wasnt allowed to take a shot until at least 15 seconds were of the shot clock ( exageration ) leading to forced great shot selection from him, while wade was allowed to pretty much free lance and do whatever he wants on the floor leading to more bad shots taken, 3 pt shots taken. Same is true for lebron, If I was coaching either lebron or Wade I wouldnt allow either of them to take a 3 point shot with more than 10 seconds remaining on the shot clock. Their driving capabailities are far too great to settle for a 3 pt shot they can have whenever they want.

KAJ is not better than Jordan.

Not at all.

NBA success is about one thing, success. The Jabber only won NBA titles when he had Oscar Robertson, arguably top 10 of all time, and then Magic, another guy who's top 10 of all time. And even then, he couldn't get it done consistently, (best was winning two in a row on some pretty stacked Lakers teams, when Magic was their best player).

Jordan on the other hand, won 6 titles, completely dominating the league in every facet of the game. He had some help, but you can't put Pippen in the same sentence as the Big O or Magic.

I mean, the longevity is nice, but to use a comparison from another sport, I'd use Emmitt Smith. Yeah he was great for a long time, is probably a little underrated (most people I talk to don't have him in their top 5), holds some awesome records, but he's not as good as his stats.

Here's my top 5:
1. Jordan
2. Shaq (can't deny what he did in the playoffs)
3. Russell (11 rings, continually dominated Wilt)
4. Wilt (suck it)
5. Kareem

and I think when it's all said and done, LBJ will be higher than Kareem.

Dude, this argument is awful. TB is a better 3 pt shooter than Wade, period. If I have you team, I try to find a good PG, bring Brandon off the bench, and just don't shoot 3's. You don't really need to shoot 3's to be successful, just look at how the 76ers did this season shooting very few 3's, which a not that great lineup.