lol fair enough it took me awhile to locate posts about the pick and like 10 people commented on it. I always remembered him associated with those problems just was never old enough to know any specific incidents.

A lot of people think the team needs shooting. Rice should be enough for some of the lighter defensive teams and a shooting specialist can be brought out from the rotation for a team that's sagging the middle. For now I love all the other skills that the team brings, it can trot out a lot of lineups if built correctly.

the thing with grant is that even if you tell him to sit, it seems it'll take an inordinate amount of time to heal. It's not like that one ankle was the end all be all for him injury-wise.

D104's Favorite 8 Teams after Round 3, in no particular order.

Not a power ranking, just teams that intrigue me.

1. Shaq/Eddie Jones/Coleman - Just a gigantic front line. I always liked Jones, I wish he could have been on those Laker title teams. And then gets shipped out of Miami the year before they win the title.

2. Bird/Vlade/Cassell - this team will **** with yo head.

3. Duncan/Penny/AK47 - The secret service can't guard this team.

4. Hakeem/Rice/Odom - I think this team fits very well together, possibly better than any other team.

5. Ewing/Nance/Mookie - All retired players FTW!

6. Amare/Price/Tayshaun - The Suns of this league.

7. Hill/Kemp/Sabonis - will lead league in alley-oops passed from the center position. The tallest guy is the worst finisher or this team, and he's pretty good, so that's nice.

8. Miller/Rodman/Artest - In an 82 game season, how many fights would this team be involved in? 10? 20?

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easily my favoritest

I really hate that Coleman pick. I loved Shaq + Eddie so much and Coleman just seems like a throwaway. And I generally hate any picks for guys we know have major issues (alcohol/substance abuse, lack of effort, etc). He could have gotten similar/better value at another spot and had such a killer team. Now there's a huge question mark

+1, I don't hate it as much as you, but he def wasted a pick (especially on a trade up) and coulda gotten much better value.

yeah I just don't think that players are doomed. like penny/grant/others who suffered career enders are no more than 10% to suffer those injuries IMO and were just unlucky. i didn't want to let this linger, but seeing as this will, i'm willing to let it be, for now.

i wanna see some more picks, my next one will blow your miiiiiiiiiiind.

so basically throw away injuries which everyone has been heavily considering? OK einstein

Well, most of his injuries followed straight from that bum ankle. He badly sprained it, played on it seven days later, then had to undergo four surgeries and a resulting infection to repair that ankle. The injury happened well past his 24 year old season, so it's not preexisting, and I think it's the very definition of a fluke injury. He came back full strength at 32 with a bum ankle, so he would already be on the downslope of his career at that point even without having his movement altered by a reconstructed ankle, it should be no surprise that he never played a full season after that. No one is arguing that he's probably to have John Stockton type durability in this league, but he almost has to be significantly healthier in this league, he had about the worst luck imaginable. If we are going to assume that he's going to miss multiple seasons, then **** it, we might as well just add up everyone's stats for each season and tally up scores that way.

we're looking good in terms of picks: alex, shark doctor, lurchy and HSP are all on right now

The initial rules stated that players in our league are not going to have an injury history that mirrors their real life. Guys with chronic injuries will be more likely to be chronically injured than ironmen, but it's not a guarantee that Grant Hill will come down on the side of his foot in exactly the same way to give him the worst possible ankle sprain he could have gotten. Just because you can't read the rules doesn't mean that we can ignore them.

Wasn't the wording used by Assani that player who is injury plagued post age 24 should be considered injury prone for this?

I don't think having a bad ankle derail a career is really a freak injury. A scouting report showed he had a prior injury to that same ankle coming into the league.

the thing is, his ankle was already a pre-existing condition from before he turned 24. the first time he sprains it, he's out for 3 years. maybe this is on the further end of the spectrum, but then again, maybe playing 6 years without spraining his ankle with his playing style and usage is on the further end of the spectrum as well?

all speculation

Pick coming in next 10 minutes.

when you need 4 surgeries just because you played on a sprained ankle, you've either got the worst doctors ever and should pay a stupid tax for it, or you're injury prone.

The truth is, none of us are medical experts, none of us really no jack. The data we have is the best we can go on. Grant we know took 3 years and multiple surgeries to recover from a sprained ankle. Penny we know was not a gym rat, had a lanky frame, and bad knees. Coleman and Kemp we know were headcases that abused various substances and got fat and bumped.

I mean, why give free passes to injured dudes and not let Sabonis in the league at 24 and make him a top 10 pick? If we just want to speculate and have politics-style one sided arguments just open up the floodgates and let's do it.

Please explain to me how I have misinterpreted the rules in my argument with you.

so then the rules are gayballs and it's all speculation.

fwiw I LIKE tbach's team.. quite a bit. If anything, he's taken Grant's short shelf life and ran with the Kemp and Sabonis picks.

Unless you have a specific reason to think that he had structual issues with his ankles that make this anything but a freak injury, then how is this preexisting? If spraining your ankle in the absolute worst possible way isn't a freak injury, then I'm going to have to agree with Assani that Petrovic is prone to an early death, because maybe him staying alive for 28 years in a run down communist state was on the further end of the spectrum.

qft

that's the rule. Grant Hill came into the league with an ankle issue. It got sprained (I wouldn't call ankle sprains "freak" in the NBA.. probably the most common injury). It took 3 years to heal. I think I got the rules right and retract my gayballs statement above.

I have used logic in all of my arguments with you, and numerous people have agreed with me. Even the person defending you pointed out how poor your arguments and points were.

Care to hit me with another super sweet poker analogy?

Here is the exact quote from the rule thread.

Now, I see you already quoted this and says that he had a preexisting ankle injury coming into the league. He played 33, 36, 26, and 34 games at Duke. Played 70, 80, 80, 81, and 74 games in the years leading up to his ankle injury. That's on the high end of the durability scale to that point, just because he sprained his ankle once or twice in the past doesn't make him probable to have a four year recovery, potential career ending injury happen to it. If we're treating it that way, then the phrase "freak injury" has zero meaning.

The best part is that I tried to end this argument, and he is just unable to stop. He just loves attention, as evidenced throughout this entire thread.

Yea, and we don't think GH had a freak injury, hence he is injury prone.

this is what i could find with limited searching (trying to find old information is pretty tough)

Hill injuring same left ankle at Duke (also found injuries to right knee, and left big toe. No clue if there were more.)

Scouting report written by Duke scout, Rob Clough.
States Hill "has had injury problems" under "Weaknesses" and "He's also been injury-prone at times in his career, although he was healthy this year." under his bio.