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05-25-2008 , 04:43 PM

#6851

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he means the other 13 guys he mentioned that you quoted. And I for one will not pass up an opportunity to draft the greatest shooter of all time

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05-25-2008 , 04:44 PM

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Anyway lets hold discussion off on Joe J vs his team/JJ Redick's relative value (I mention him bc come on, it's JJ ****ing Redick)/my lunch of ****** sandwhiches.

For now, I'll say Epi and KC may be right, but JJ's overall value is overinflated-Manu is pretty ****ing good-and the pick is solid, especially given his team makeup.

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05-25-2008 , 04:45 PM

#6853

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yah, i mean the team i mentioned completely accidentally, ugh.

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05-25-2008 , 04:46 PM

#6854

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Haha sorry I didn't notice. Anyway I assume we can talk about Reddick since no one will draft him, Bobbo I really hope u were joking when u made that statement but for some reason I don't think u were.

EDIT: Reddick is white too kidcolin so he might actually have a place on ur team afterall

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05-25-2008 , 04:51 PM

#6855

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Is it possible I pick tonight? If so I'll be playing a home game probally from 6-11 CST, anyone want my picks or is it that doubtful I'll go.

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05-25-2008 , 04:54 PM

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its doubtful. although its somewhat likely that the next two picks will be up fairly soon, because iirc Victor usually posts around now (dont know about weekends).

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05-25-2008 , 04:55 PM

#6857

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Is it possible I pick tonight? If so I'll be playing a home game probally from 6-11 CST, anyone want my picks or is it that doubtful I'll go.

You can always PM them to me, since I've already gone to a BBQ and played pickup, so thats my "day". So I'm around allll day.

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05-25-2008 , 04:57 PM

#6858

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you can pm them to me also if you want. i pick in 2 picks, but i have a SG/SF/PF already and you already have PG/C so the pick won't benefit me.

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05-25-2008 , 05:07 PM

#6859

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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades

I'm not saying the effect isn't real, but how real is it? Do you think Manu would go from being one of the most efficient players in the game to about average just by switching teams?

Ginobili and Parker on a < 40 win team are 4th round picks IMO

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05-25-2008 , 05:17 PM

#6860

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Originally Posted by HighStakesPro

Ginobili and Parker on a < 40 win team are 4th round picks IMO

Parker, arguably (though I am more like to buy 3rd than 4th). Ginobli, no way.

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05-25-2008 , 05:18 PM

#6861

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Parker, arguably (though I am more like to buy 3rd than 4th). Ginobli, no way.

+1

i have parker as my 18th best pg, and marbury as my 24th. a little less than a round's worth of difference.

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05-25-2008 , 05:18 PM

#6862

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Originally Posted by HighStakesPro

Ginobili and Parker on a < 40 win team are 4th round picks IMO

This is def stretching it, although I do agree they are both a good amount worse on bad teams.

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05-25-2008 , 05:25 PM

#6863

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Also while I def feel that people outside this forum don't rely enough on advantaged stats such as drtg/ts% etc, I think people in this forum rely way too much on them.

For example someone like Manu looks a lot better on defense using drtg because he is almost always not guarding the best sg/sf on the other team.

Also ts% and all those other percentages has a lot to do with how good ur team is and what role u play in the offense (shot creators are going to have lower percentages in general than people who spot up shoot or just get fed wide open dunks etc.)

Also stats like rebounds are highly influenced on ur teammates ability to rebound as well.

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05-25-2008 , 05:33 PM

#6864

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You can always PM them to me, since I've already gone to a BBQ and played pickup, so thats my "day". So I'm around allll day.

isn't doing **** early awesome? For some reason I woke up at 7:30 today. Already got some chores done, went on my bike ride, watched some DVR'd shows to catch up on now watching the Sox play in Oakland. I love long lazy weekends.

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05-25-2008 , 05:34 PM

#6865

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It'd have to be woeful roster if Parker + Ginobili + the rest can't get you 40 wins. This is the point you're missing with your Marbury crusades.

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05-25-2008 , 05:35 PM

#6866

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Also ts% and all those other percentages has a lot to do with how good ur team is.

prove it. TS% is a pretty consistent stat. Guys like Tyson Chandler are more of an exception than the rule (and even then he still had a very good TS% his last two years in CHI, but Paul lobs have ballooned it considerably to wtf status)

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05-25-2008 , 05:37 PM

#6867

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

prove it.

lol I dont feel like going through a huge sample size (which would be what would be needed to actually prove it). But if you guys can't understand that if you have better teammates ur efficency is going to likley go up, then u are all more clueless than I ever thought. Basketball is a sport which depends on ur teammates abilities just as much as ur own.

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05-25-2008 , 05:37 PM

#6868

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yeah, getting up early can be awesome. but for me, everyday is a lazy long weekend, so some of the novelty has worn off.

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05-25-2008 , 05:39 PM

#6869

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But if you guys can't understand that if you have better teammates ur efficency is going to likley go up unless you are Kevin McHale, then u are all more clueless than I ever thought.

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05-25-2008 , 05:41 PM

#6870

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McHale didn't have good teammates. Larry Bird and Parish had good teammates.

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05-25-2008 , 05:41 PM

#6871

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Naw even McHale's efficency would drop if he didn't have great teammates (omg I said it), but it wouldn't drop by as much as a lot of peoples would, since from what i've heard/seen in the limited games I saw, he didnt get a lot of wide open dunks, most of his points were scored in the post doing his post moves. He was also great vs double teams.

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05-25-2008 , 05:44 PM

#6872

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McHale didn't have good teammates. Larry Bird and Parish had good teammates.

haha this is great stuff xorb

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05-25-2008 , 05:51 PM

#6873

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Originally Posted by xorbie

McHale didn't have good teammates. Larry Bird and Parish had good teammates.

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05-25-2008 , 06:08 PM

#6874

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its 6pm now, Victor should be around to pick 8-9 pm (unless he goes drinking). I left him a voice mail telling him he's on the clock.

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05-25-2008 , 06:13 PM

#6875

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ok fellas, i'm going to be out for the next 5-6 hours (basketball tournament), so I PMed my pick to Bobbo. if the guy i want gets taken, you guys are just going to have to wait for my pick (because i dont know who its going to be yet)

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