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Originally Posted by Victor
im pretty sure i responded to it. go ahead and bump it again if it was unsatisfactory and i will be sure to rifle it to the time of the to-do list.
I'm not sure if you're trolling here or not, as you definitely did not respond to it. If you don't feel like debating anymore then just let me know, but here was what happened....
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Originally Posted by Victor
yup, thats why we're giving u sht. bc u way overestimate the chances.
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
You must not be reading my posts or something.....
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How big of a possibility is this? I really have no clue, nor does anyone else. Any guess is pure and complete idle speculation imo.
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I've always said "Maybe Penny will be healthy in this format because of better microfracture surgery techniques, him not being injury prone out of college, and his playing 3 full seasons in his first 6 years. Then again maybe he won't be. It is indeed a gamble, but I've provided some reasoning why it could work out."
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As I said, I have no clue if he'd stay healthy or not. Neither does anyone else. I outlined above a few reasons which support the viewpoint that he could stay healthy, but other than that I can't really debate it. Clearly he is a risk, but man the reward is high.
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I'll agree with you that there is A CHANCE that players like McHale/Penny will be helped by this format. However, I'm not going to say that either of them definitively wouldn't have had a similar career ark, as we simply don't know.
Never once in any of my posts do I estimate the chances that Penny stays healthy or recovers from microfracture surgery. All I every do is point out the reasons why he MAY stay healthy. I draw no conclusions from these reasons and I am very clear in saying that "I have no clue what the odds are." Seriously, where are you getting this from?
At this point, you were very active in the thread and posted many other times. But you never responded to that post. So I wrote:
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Victor,
Does you ignoring the major point of my post mean you take back what you said?
I've noticed something that happens here. You disagree with a poster over something and you're very certain that you're right, and for it impacts your view of that poster even on other issues. I'm certainly not immune to it. For example, take a look at me and EPip. Before the McHale debate I remember agreeing a lot with him. A few times he even wrote "Yea, you just wrote basically what I wrote(I hadn't caught up in the thread when I posted)." However after our disagreement on McHale, it seems like we agree a lot less on other things.
Similarly, I'm almost expecting to disagree with HSP's next pick due to Marbury.
Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because I think you're doing this with me here....You saw me react harshly regarding the debate over Hardaway's peak. And now you automatically assumed that I was wrong about the injury prone issue. In reality, as you can see by my recap of my posts above, I've been very fair about the injury issue and have never given any of my thoughts on the exact chances that he is able to play any number of years(which makes it completely ridiculous that you'd say I'm overestimating his chances, as I'M NOT EVEN ESTIMATING THEM!!!). If you'd like me to give my honest estimations of his chances of various injury scenarios, then I'll go ahead and do it, but I havn't done that yet so you can't critisize me there.
Anyway, back to the issue of his peak....
"he had a 1.5 year peak. wtf."
In 3 consecutive years he was All NBA 1st Team, All NBA 1st Team, and All NBA 3rd Team. Yes the one year in the middle of those 3 was his best year. However, I don't see how you only count this as a 1.5 year peak. Please explain.
"why cant i find a bunch of dudes with similar very short awesome peaks and say, well, mebbe they woulda continued it bc of abc?"
You can't find them because they don't exist or have been drafted already. Obviously you can't list undrafted players here, but I've repeatedly challenged you to list 20 players out of the 74 drafted who have put up a season as good as his at 24 years of age or younger and you've never done it. And if you really want to include undrafted players in your list then list all of the drafted players and PM me the few undrafted players in which you think have put up a better year than his at such a young age.
At this point I thought you'd respond for sure, as you were still active in the thread and responding to other points. But you still didn't so I wrote:
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Hate to bump a post that I just made 10 minutes ago, but I've seen you respond to two other posts made after mine, so I take it that you either missed this or are ignoring it....
You must've saw this because you made a new post and immediately bumped your own post(by immediately I mean you made it at 7:37PM and bumped it at 7:39PM):
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Originally Posted by Victor
Hate to bump a post that I just made 10 minutes ago, but I've seen you respond to two other posts made after mine, so I take it that you either missed this or are ignoring it....
I thought that continually ignoring my post and then copying my exact words(when I wasn't ignoring any of your posts) was annoying, so I wrote:
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Stop being immature. No I did not respond to one single thing that was posted after you posted that before I responded to you. When I read your post, THE VERY FIRST THING I DID WAS TO RESPOND TO IT. But because I said something to you, you have to say it back to me? Seriously are you 10 years old or something?
Dude, I enjoy debating with you. I value this discussion, as it increases my basketball knowledge and I'm enjoying it. I thank you for taking the time to debate with me. So why are you acting like an ******* here? Why do stuff like that or why claim that I'm overestimating the chances that Hardaway can play without injury in our league when(as I proved by quoting four of my posts) I never even estimated the chances but instead always said "I really have no clue"?
Stuff like this makes me want to just put you on ignore, which is unfortunate because I'm enjoying our discussion.
You responded:
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Originally Posted by Victor
my post was pretty immature, but so was yours. i mean, did u really think i would just ignore u? have i ever done that? have i ever backed down from an internet fight? cmon man, this is all i do. so, like in a multiple choice test, i like to tackle the easy ones first.
your post required a bit of thought and typing so i figured i hit it last.
At this point I didn't see how my post was immature at all, as I was just trying to get you to respond when you had been seletively responding to some of my posts but seemingly ignoring these ones regarding Hardaway. I had to leave for the night, so I told you to respond to it when you got a chance and I'd get back to you the next day. I even went so far as to personally apologize to you if I had come across as immature:
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Victor, here is what happened:
-I made a post
-You made a few posts after it without responding to it whatsoever
-I made another post in which the first sentence was "Does you ignoring the major point of my post mean you take back what you said?"
-You responded to 2 or 3 posts made after that second post of mine.
At that point, do you really blame me for thinking that you're ignoring my point? If you weren't ignoring it but were just "tackling the easy ones first" then thats fine, but I think you could see why I thought you were ignoring me. I certainly don't see how it was immature of me. If I came across as immature, then I apologize, but that was far from my intention.
I came back the next day and saw that not only had you not responded to me, but you had instead made two more sarcastic and insulting posts towards me which added nothing to the debate:
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Originally Posted by Victor
this is actually a detriment in this league. while a guy like penny has a chance of being more healthy (assani has ruled out he could actually fall apart faster), a guy who never got hurt doesnt have a chance to be healthier. he will get hurt a certain percent of the time.
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Originally Posted by Victor
or u can hire assanis doctors and he becomes amare.
So once again I ask you: Do you care to respond to my posts? If you just wish to be a sarcastic troll, then just let me know and I'll move on. I really don't care either way. However when you say:
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Originally Posted by Victor
im pretty sure i responded to it. go ahead and bump it again if it was unsatisfactory and i will be sure to rifle it to the time of the to-do list.
I have to think that means that you're choosing the troll route, as theres no way you think you responded to it when you know for a fact you didn't(just search your user name and look at posts you made in between now and then for proof).