this is positively untrue, and I would love to name names, but than I'd get banned. Let me just say that although Battier shoots the 3 well, he does absolutely nothing else well offensively, hasn't experienced his decline yet (which will bring down his stats even further), and the thing he does well, he does only 3.2 times a game. This year Battier, even with playing all but 2 games, is 27th this year (where he took a ton of threes!) in 3ps. "Wow". Again, would love to list some guys who shot the 3 well and more of it to disprove the "small + offensively," but for now just say you're horribly wrong.

qft

xorbie,

PM me those guys? I'm curious to hear what others are thinking.

D

Also if you went Battier this round odds are you would either get a good post scorer that is horrible defensively not good or a good post defender that's a 0 offensively. Right now there are still guys who are good but not great at both. It honestly matters what your trying to do. There are still big men who can run with Nash available, they are either young, injury prone, not good defensively or had short peaks. Right now you gotta start digging. Having a team with 3 guards is good I guess but in a league where point guards and centers are the hardest things to get good players at........I guess you can go for another wing.

See, this is one of the times when stats can both help and hurt us. Houston is an incredibly slow paced team. That 3.2 per game would increase on other teams. With players like T-Mac and Yao (or in this case, just Deron Williams), you don't really want a high usage guy, just a player who will make teams pay if they don't guard him. And when they do guard him, that's a small forward who won't be involved in the paint. Just because you have low usage and don't add anything else to the offense, doesn't make you a bad offensive player. I guess I'll add in the caveat that you wouldn't want to make him a major player in your offense, but given the offensive depth of this draft, I really like Battier.

Thing is with Nash and Gnobe you just don't need post scoring in the sense of "give this guy the ball and let him do his thing". A guy who doesn't do anything on offense except set picks and catch passes around the basket and finish would be fine, more than fine really.

QFT, but you'd want an athlete IMO

Real fast: I agree with the bolded, but it also means that you generally won't impact the offensive end often.

but you see it's not fair to cherry pick. Battier has never been a high usage player, and this is in spite the fact he's played on a few different team makeups. (I mean, Rockets w/o Tmac; Rockets w/o Yao; Rockets w/ both; Memphis w/ Pau; etc.) So - yes, Battier will be efficient, yes, he will never hurt you offensively, but no, he's not ever going to be even a 3rd option.

Jesus, Rockets fans and NBA fans complained for the longest time the biggest hole was the Rockets had no go to scorer outside of the big 2 which led to scoring droughts - Battier does his stuff, but he just doesnt impact the offensive end often. You mentioned the Rockets pace factor as well, which is a fine observation, but there still were a bunch of teams that played slower. (Portland, Detroit, SAS, etc.) They were 21st this year - I suppose if you put Battier on the Nuggets he would shoot 5 3s a game rather than 4. Fine.

In this league I'm not as sure about. B/c defensively you can have 2 great defenders who are great help defenders and pick up the slack, but offensively if you have 0s, I guess they can set picks but a lot of teams are going to have 5 good players on the court atleast starting and I don't think Manu and Nash take nearly enough shots although they could in this league to be a sick scoring duo that you don't have to worry about scoring from bigs. 1 thing about scoring from bigs is 1 they are usually much more efficient although both Manu and Nash are efficient but they also get other teams in foul trouble and it also is easier to get boards when your in the paint and crashing the glass. IDK, I personally wouldn't imagine going guard again this early but then again I'm haven't been a real proponent of going early swing b/c there are so many swing guys who can play the 2/3.

I am still very surprised at some omissions thus far, 1 guy in particular. Interesting discussion though and I realize now I know nothing about 80s basketball.

bad logic bobbo

Just wanted to say that I would NEVER want Battier to try to create his own shot. Depending on the offense, there are only really first or second (rarely 3rd) options in the playmaking offense. Battier is a role player, but really does his job. He is and never will be a scorer and that's fine.

huh? what? that Battier is somewhere above being a below avg offensive player (which PER shows him to be) and below an elite offensive player (which ORtg shows him to be) ???

Okay, Battier is a below average offensive player. There is no denying that. He can't do anything besides shoot. 1v1 he probably would get beaten by Candace Parker (that's a joke). You put him in the right offense (IE one where he can camp in the corner), and all of a sudden, not only are his offensive flaws hidden, but he can actually provide a positive benefit to his team by hitting 39% of his 3 pointers, above the league average. So what if he doesn't rack up the rebounds and assists that would inflate his PER, he doesn't need to. There are other guys who will be more involved in the offense who can do that for him.

she wouldnt say that

LMAO ! I'm sure the WNBA marketing dept would be happy to know that their ads have gotten through to at least two of us.

Candace Cameron>Candace Parker

this is all fine, but he went in the 3rd round.

exactly, thank you rob. basically i love shane, he's a quality addition... but not for the 3rd round.

agghhh. where is everyone today? can anyone get in touch with mmbt0ne? we need to get to nicholasp before the weekend!

Don't underestimate D.J. Tanner. She was nasty in the low post. You know, big ass and all.

Man...a run of my targets just went...I'm at a loss w/ whom to draft next.

I agree with this, fwiw. Shane's great, but if your requirements are hustle guy that plays great D that can hit the 3 at 38%+, I think there are more guys out there so that you can take a player that is a little more "unique" in the 3rd. I could be proven wrong, though, maybe Shane is the only one.

D

+1. Like I said to begin with, we've got a 30 year talent pool here. There are other Battier's out there.

Eh I guess. For me it's not "OMG THATS AWFUL" it's just that I think it's solid and was playing a little devil's advocate. FWIW, it's not a team-killing pick, but it doesn't make his team that great either. Solid though.