Kiki:

All-Star Games
1983 NBA
1984 NBA

MVP Voting
Season Lg Share (Rank)
1982-83 NBA 0.001 (22)

Honors



Mullin:

All-Star Games
1989 NBA
1990 NBA
1991 NBA
1992 NBA
1993 NBA

MVP Voting
Season Lg Share (Rank)
1988-89 NBA 0.004 (13)
1991-92 NBA 0.084 (6)

Honors
1988-89 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1990-91 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1991-92 NBA All-NBA (1st)

Yeah I agree that Baron still chucks like it like crazy. But with Worthy and Bosh around him, Baron could get them some easy shots. Basically you've got two very efficient scorers around, so adding a playmaker who's not an efficient shooter isn't so bad.

Playmakers of any considerable career length are really drying up. I don't think it was a bad pick. Injuries are the only concern I have with him not chucking in this league.

Shooters, bigmen who can either defend or score are also a much longer list.

This thread is bad for my sanity. There are a couple of guys that I really just want to scream at people arggggg

Serg is drafting an all-international team, which is awesome.

Although I hated the Worthy pick, I agree that this is a very fun team here.

They used to do this for every player at each season of his career. Wonder why they took it out.

Please tell me you didnt really just use all star games and mvp voting to make a point.

Off the top of my head I can think of one completely awesome player who never made an all star game in his career, I'm sure there are probably more who made none or few.

Penny is playing PG on my team fwiw.

IMO BigCat had one of the worst 1st round picks, then made two solid decisions and took guys that would seem to work very well with James.

reasons to the contrary:
durability: aguirre >> kiki
defense: aguirre was bad, kiki was attrocious
non scoring offense: aguirre was average, kiki below average (aguirre averaged more REB/AST/STL with less TO)

wild card: aguirre struggled offensively (drops in TS%, EFG, Usg%, PPG) after being shipped to the pistons for 4 years (2nd to last in pace for 2 years, last in pace for 2 years)

more regarding pace:
Kiki's teams during his first 8 years (prime): 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st (all with DEN), 7th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd (all with POR)
Aguirre's teams during his first 7.5 years (prime): 21st, 14th, 18th, 23rd, 12th, 14th, 20th, 24th (all with DAL)

my conclusion:
Kiki was likely a better scorer than Aguirre; Aguirre was a marginally worse scorer, but better in every other regard. Enough to tip the scales his way, IMO.

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You've made the same joke 5 times now.

Are you going to respond to my post that I bumped twice yesterday?

just as a FYI, im pretty sure tbach istrading is pick, but as soon as van exel makes a pick, tbac will announce his pick or a trade.

carpal tunnel ftw

OMG SARCASM KNOCK IT OFF ASSANI

well for 2 seasons anyway.

I agree with almost all of this.

where is arenas from? africa?

Also, is Elton Brand really an "awesome defender"? I realizes hes above average, but when I think "awesome" I think top 2 or 3 in the league at his position, and I wouldn't even call Brand a top 5 big man defender in today's NBA.

That team is going to struggle on D for sure.

im pretty sure i responded to it. go ahead and bump it again if it was unsatisfactory and i will be sure to rifle it to the time of the to-do list.

dont want to get into too much more discussion on kiki vs aguirre, (i looked at both intensely prior to my selection) but kiki doesnt just have a scoring edge on agguire - he is truly elite. as in, he's a better scorer than half (probably more) of the first round picks. aguirre is also a very good scorer, but you cant run your offense through him like you can with kiki. so although kiki offers you nothing else, what he does offer you is very important (duh, scoring) and he does it so well it's hard to match it. agguire does something very well (but not elite) and everything else at a below average clip. both are very similar, and so neither is probably ">>" or whatever. weird thing is i think JoA's team would've benefitted more from Kiki, and MEB's team more from Aguirre.

We're going to have to see who is available in the 4th and 5th rounds, but you could be right for sure.

america. he's allowed one.

i agree w. assani.

Do you really think Kiki>Mullin or are you just looking to debate?

The allstars, MVP votes, and All NBA Teams are telling imo.

oh, a ringer. fair enough.

its funny because a lot of the asian/filipino/etc only leagues here in the LA area generally allow a ringer(black/white) or two