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It'll probably happen on the weekend....and then 2 or 3 people will go crazy and complain how slow we're moving.

Because:

1. Most of us didn't see players from earlier play

2. I wanted to avoid the "would stars of yesteryear be anything more than role players in today's more athletic league" argument.

3. Because I didn't want each team to be totally stacked.

McDyess went a tad bit early imo, but I don't mind the pick overall.

Reading through this thread now, and this is the second sarcastic post you've made even though I've asked you nicely to cool it. Please stop.

dude, take a jopke.

agreed completely(regarding Andre Miller).

just got home from ballin', and to grunch a little bit:

Baron Davis
Cons are pretty big here, namely he's a chucker (career 5.4 3p per game at a lowly 32.5% clip; 15.2 fga at a 41.4% clip) with no signs of slowing that down. (or improving on his shot, i think it's fair to say he is not getting better now that he is 28/29!)
Another huge worry is he's mega injury prone. His only healthy years were pre 24 - remember, he starts at 24. Weird that this year being a contract year (or, player option) was the first in 5 (!!!) years he's played all 82. (or even close to it - the next best season total was 67!)
Further, for a PG that likes to shoot 3s, he shoots FTs at a deplorable rate. (69.2% career, wtf?) Baron draws alot of fouls but this is an area he's really weak, and frankly, will never get better.
Also, his career PER (18.5, juicy) hasn't been tainted by his inevitable decline, so this is "as good as it will get". Also, of all the pics you put in, you DIDNT show the slam in the GSW/Utah series of last year - WTF??

All that said, his defense doesn't hurt you, his rebounding numbers are nice, and he can score AND pass, and he has guarded 2 guards when needed, so he is versatile.

Mark Aguirre
JOA, I dont like the pick. Not sure why you wanted to trade up for him so badly (I'll look at your writeup afterward) but he's another Kiki Vandeweghe. His defense is insanely bad. No double digit defensive shares; DRtg career mark of 110 (LOL) - and (especially early in his career) he's a ballhog on offense. (peaking in his 24yr season, funny enough, with a usage rate of 33.4% - lol) he's like a poor man's Tracy McGrady. Also, for someone who loves 3pt shots, Aguirre is a career 31.2% outside shooter, so all those open looks Drob will create will be somewhat for naught.

Detlef Schrempf
Fantastic pick. I knew he was being taken here, so can't say much else, but for sure the BPA.

Really?

Please explain the Kobe, D Robinson, and Deron Williams listings.

Did you really call Ray Allen an average defender? oh, right, you're from Wisconsin, so must be a Buck homer who fell in love with him when he was on the Bucks. Sorry, but Ray Allen is a below average defender.
1. I've watched a ton of Ray Allen this year, on the best defensive team, and he was always the weak spot constantly bailed out by everyone else on the team (bc they were so good)
2. I watched a ton of Ray Allen in the past (I love UConn guys) and he never guarded the best player, EVER.
3. His defensive rating backs this up; career 109, and as a 24 yr old, had a 110, 106, 109, 108, 110, 112, 116, 112 mark. Uhh - That's terrible. Only one of those years would he be considered ~average (the 106).

Again, don't want to go too far into this, but Ray is a slightly below average defender, and to call him average is to call the "40% mark" 50%.

YEAH, +1 here. Actually, to further cement it, Kiki was everything Aguirre was, only better. lol.

I don't know how you can make this claim though. Look at the Warriors this year - were all actually pretty money from the 3pt line. And Baron still took something like 7 a game at a really inefficient clip. So, it's possible and likely if you surround him with a bunch of athletic guys similar to now, his chucking will continue.

Edit: Had to remove names.
Double Edit: The initial name dropping is an obvious case of just being used to prove a point, clearly no harm by means of that is intended, and I caught myself doing it. Even still, this rule is stupid, but I am adhering to it.

which post and which other thread are you referring to?

for the record, there are surprisingly a few good 2 guards that are eligible.

Personally, I'll admit that so far its look like I constantly overestimated the calibre of players that would drop to me. If I had to guess I'd say that will continue, so I agree with you here.

EJ is getting underrated by a lot of the posters here imo.

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I considered Kiki, but from everything I"ve heard he was just horrendous on defense.

Not sure who I'm picking (I was going to take Aguirre). I will have my pick up at halftime of Lakers game...

Shaq's career AST%: 14.5 (peaking at 19.3 in 1999-00)
McHale's career AST%: 8.1 (peaking at 10.8 in 1985-86)

My stats are better, and show Shaq is a far superior passer to McHale, and thusly shows that his passing abilities are not overrated, and McHale's passing abilities are not underrated.

i've already said this once, but i need to show MEBenhoe some love here: He's absolutely rigt.

From wiki:

"As a player, Vandeweghe was regarded as a poor defensive player and rebounder, but an excellent scorer and outside shooter."

heh, that was somewhat hyperbole to generate discussion. But a lot of it is gonna depend on what players I can fill out the team with. With the right support Kiki's ability to score like crazy could end up being awesome. I really think people are still underrating to this point the ability to score like crazy and do it efficiently.

I think "for sure BPA" is a little too strong, but yes, a very solid pick.

Re: Kiki/Aguirre,

Everyone in the "how can you hate Kiki and like Aguirre" camp are severely underestimating two things. First, Kiki's D << Aguirre's D. I'm judging this mainly on testimonials. The fact that Aguirre played a key role on the Detroit Bad Boys championship runs means he at least won't kill you. Also notice his DRtg drops significantly here. That's due to the team. Team defense is very important. JoA put him on a team with an elite defensive center and a solid defensive PG. MEb put Kiki on a team with another poor wing defender and a strong defensive PF/C (I think calling Brand elite is pushing it.. D-Rob def gives you more at the 5 spot than Brand can at the 4).

Second, rebounding and passing. These are important elements of the game. Aguirre has a very significant edge over Kiki in these categories. No doubt Kik's instant offense is better, so maybe they balance out, but as of now JoA's team has much better balance and is adept at everything. MEb's isn't.