Ya, I know thats why I wanna trade up now to make get a piece I really need. Im pretty sure he will still be available at my pick, but I dont wanna take any chances.

lols

I like the direction of the LBJ/Grant combo. Solid pick iyam.

pretty dumb but whatever. for all those who say redd cant drive.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...l+redd+shooter

I wasn't bashing Robertson really, just bringing up a negative. I fully understand that the extremely short peak is a big negative for Penny as well.

I think you are missing the point. He doesn't have to assume that A and B happen 100% of the time. Even if they happen only 25% of the time, it's a justifable pick.

Taking a role player in the 2nd round seems a little crazy to me.

fyp, yes I hate the Grant pick also ldo.

Hardaway those 2 years was a great player, better than his stats show. I would rank him a lot higher because he had potential to get better if he didnt get hurt. The guy was amazing, there was nothing he couldnt do on the court.

If Chris paul was picked at 10, then the penny pick isnt bad at all.

Ill take a healthy penny in his prime over paul.

Were talking about a 6 5 pg who can play 3 positions, post up, shoot the jumpshot, rebound the ball. Wouldnt you like to be a coach and have a guy who can play 3 positions ?

I will again point out the level of overhyping of players like paul, nash, lebron. These guys have the ball all game long in their hands. Anyone can put up great numbers if they have the ball all game long.

Ill prove a point, remember the series against phoenix when lakers kept feeding kwame brown the ball and he was dominating in the post, I think he averaged 15 an 10 in that series, and the guy is the absolute worst big man in the game.

Penny put up those numbers for a great orlando team that he also had to feed to ball to shaq all game long, so he couldnt just dominate the ball. So unless youve seen him play dont underestimate his talent.

**** that...go for the most fun team of all time and go all offense man.

sigh. its almost better to pick a guy that got hurt at this point.

bobbo's ban just ended i think, too optimistic to hope that he's ready already?

I like the Ho Grant pick. One of the best post defenders left and with Lebron not getting a star isn't such a big deal.

I think with all the criticism of guys like Bynum or Penny being too risky, Horace Grant could be the most conservative (to a fault?) pick.

ew for the horace grant pick, you coulda traded down with me and got him in my place.

His offensive game was ok, defense was good. Overall very athletic and can guard sf pf and some centers, but way to early for him.

Horace was the other guy I strongly considered. Nice pick.

with regards to Vlade (or anyone for that matter)
I'm not looking for "special", I'm looking for productivity. I'm looking to win ball games. Michael Redd is the epitome of a "special" shooter/scorer, yet is totally lacking in all other areas of his game. NOT just defense. He's a below average rebounder for his size. He's a below average passer. He's woeful on D.

F specialization.

Assani,

Hardaway was GREAT one yaer.. definitely not "oh my god" incredible though. You could have definitely gotten similar players, some with peaks very close to Penny's, without the busted knee (which WILL happen, btw.. do some research about it. Dude was a freakish athlete who failed to work out, really).

i think u may have taken highstakespokers spot for dumbest. im not sure. i hope kc includes a tally in his writeup.

I think a roleplayer was the way to go, not entirely sure Grant is the best player that can do same thing at that position but I doubt it's much dropoff from the other dudes to him. There are some studs around with major injury issues that could have taken with LeBron but eh... I think Grant pick looks better in a few rounds--you will have to justify it by not ****ing up later though. Would Grant fall to bottom of 3rd? Doubt it.

Seriously. So gay balls. 25%? More like 85%. This league is pointless if it's all "well if he doesn't get hurt and he won't cuz I said so so grant hill is in the top 10 all time players and Shawn Kemp is in the HoF"

Horace was sick y'all.

Seriously Assani, read the posts before you start getting all uppity. I explained this mother****ing post twice already.

CLIFFNOTES FOR ASSANI: Claiming he would be a top 20 player is overrating him, alright?

If this is what you meant all along by "helped by this format" then I'll agree with you that there is A CHANCE that players like McHale/Penny will be helped by this format. However, I'm not going to say that either of them definitively wouldn't have had a similar career ark, as we simply don't know.

I will admit that I misunderstood what you meant by "helped by this format" though.

lol bynumaments

Neither was Penny.

I'll say that his defense was great. I agree that on talent alone, it's too early but I cannot wait forty picks to picks a big man and I feel that he's a better fit than the other guys available, mostly because i did not want to take an injured type guy and value durability.