I think Deron was BPA a solid 5-10 picks ago. I have no ****ing clue why Epip traded up to get Billups instead of Deron. And he even knew Deron was better but tried to make some system BS argument

applaud this pick, I was instantly thinking how great Deron Williams would be a 2nd rounder after the Billups pick. I was surprised that a premiere 10 APG true point guard would last this long, with even combo guard PGs being taken ahead of him.

Deron is actually about the point where picking young goes from defensable to borderline and almost bad. You're basically picking a guy who at age 23 has had one season that would put him at the level of being picked even in this vicinity, over players with much better track records. Is there a decent chance Deron will improve or at least stay at this level? yes. But there is also a decent chance that he could end up like a certain PG who had an even better season than Deron at age 23, but would prob get met by a lot of lols if he were drafted here.

I think Deron and Marion are pretty awesome fits for each other. Deron is basically a baby-Nash, right?

God I can't wait to pick I'm gonna put you all to shame

Deron was the 2nd of the 3 players I"m targetting(Rodman and one other who is still there). Imo Deron is BY FAR the biggest value pick there of the entire draft. Absolutely can't believe so many passed on him. God a Deron/Duncan duo would've been awesome for me.

The thing is most of the young guys picked in the first two rounds are truly freaks. If you get near or close to the last couple years production your going to have a very valuable commodity. So it's definitely more of a risk than the proven players, but the proven players you know pretty much exactly what your getting. Deron, CP3, Howard, LBJ are not your typical under 24s.

I didn't say they were a bad fit-I said they were a weird fit.

Yeah, Deron can thread the needle. But his game isn't like Nash's game, only the numbers are. Nash is mainly finesse, Deron is physical/power passing. He overpowers point guards. He can guard SGs because he's so strong. When Deron gets in the lane, he doesn't bob and weave like Paul; he thunders in. He's an incredible shooter too.

Do you envision Deron running a PNR with Marion?

blech, young is good to some extent, but as much as you guys overrate some of these young guys, there's going to be 5 Shaqs, 3 MJs, 4 Stocktons, and 8 Malones in the league in 5 years.

As would a Shaq/Deron

Wait, you're saying Deron here is a bad pick because there are other guys around who have similar lines but faded into mystere? Uhh... There is only 1 guy who you could possibly name that plays the same position that could be EQUAL to Deron. but that's it. Deron is incredible

Age 21: 10.8 points, 4.5 assists, 50% TS%, 0.8 steals
Age 22: 16.2 points, 9.3 assists, 53.5% TS%, 1.0 steals
Age 23: 18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 59.5% TS%, 1.1 steals


He is CLEARLY only getting better. I have no clue who you are talking about, but he probably either was injury prone or wasn't improving at nearly the rate Deron is. Deron has only missed 4 games in 3 years.

I think he should've gone at least 10 picks ago, and I wouldn't have minded him at all even higher than that.

Deron has had 2nd and 3rd in the league the last 2 yeras in assists. He's a mediocre defender and I guess it's why he fell. His TS% is pretty damn high. OWS high. Also 2nd team all nba in his 3rd year.

You misunderstood my point. Also, without even looking there are X players at the same position that are clearly > Deron. Again, you are overreacting by a ton to one season just because that one season happens to have just happened.

If your talking about the guys I think you are. I shouldn't say anything but I'm praying they fall to me. Please be quiet.

btw I feel stupid asking this because I'm sure I"ve heard it pronounced a million times but right now for whatever reason I can't think of it.....is it pronounced Duh-Ron or Dare-Un?

In one fricking season. Geez, I'm starting to think you guys have not been watching the NBA ever. Breakout seasons happen where players then come back to normal. It's not guaranteed, but a player who has a proven track record of seasons at or near the level of a young players one really good season are better picks than that young player.

Darren

Lol reminds me of when LeRoy butler played in the NFL, and everyone pronounced it Lee-roy

No we aren't overreacting because it just happened. We think that he is clearly trending upward and should at the very least be able to keep this production up for 7+ more years, and its more likely that he continues to improve upon it. Moreover, as I said, hes not injury prone at all.

Seems like you're scared of taking any chances. Theres a reason why, before they made them go to college, NBA GMs would take raw high school kids all the time even though they were big bust factors. Its because taking risks is what wins. With so many teams, you're not going to have a chance at a top team imo if you just draft safe and reliable picks.

He's been 2nd/3rd in assists his first two seasons. What makes you think he's going to drop so quickly? He is the leader of a really young team with a Coach who runs a system that suits a player like him (see Stockton) and has young players around him who should run the system well. Your right there are some retired played who I thought should have easily gone already but I don't think the gamble is that great. If he is near the guy I think were both thinking about, I would have probally taken him already but I can't blame someone for taking Deron. It's not very common for a player to be all-nba this young, and if you've watched NBA, PGs/Centers tend to stay at the top for a long time and make all-star teams and all-nba teams pretty regularly once they get in. I looked at all the all-nba players during this period, and the number of different PGs/C are by far the rarest.

damn, nice pick darko

Yeah, you're right. Players producing at their 23 y/o breakout season level for 7+ more seasons is definitely the norm..........

I'm a dick who refuses to say "Darren"

The difference is, in the NBA you actually get to play those seasons out. In this format, it is basically an EV fest, because when the teams are ultimately judged a player like Deron will have to have the bust factor weighed against the superstar factor. You don't get one or the other, you get something in the middle. At least this is how I would judge it.

I like Deron, was really down on him last season but he blew me out of the water this year.

I think he'll be good for a while.