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10-15-2018 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right
That call goes against the patriots 0.00000000000000000000000000000% of the time. NFL is the easiest sport to rig because there's a foul on every play.
yeah, it's a shame the Pats never catch any breaks.

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10-15-2018 , 11:58 PM
In after Godgers Time MNF: BEAT HARD VS. MIKE TARD

lol Fat Mike saved again. It’s a crying shame that this guy has more chins than Godgers has championships.
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10-16-2018 , 12:04 AM
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10-16-2018 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Fat Mike has to be the luckiest coach ever
possibly luckiest person ever

favorite Mike fact: was the 9ers' OC when the they went Smith over Rodgers
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10-16-2018 , 12:10 AM
49ers offense was 30th in the league in yards gained the year Fat Mike was hired. He's luckier than Ringo.
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10-16-2018 , 12:11 AM
Pretty unfair to Ringo, he actually has some talent
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10-16-2018 , 03:02 AM
GOD
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10-16-2018 , 08:43 AM
I know making fun of FAT MIKE is a 2p2 tradition, and I even made fun of him for the call at the time, but I think the 1st and 10 run from the 10 is actually totally fine.

Packers have no timeouts, SF has all 3. Packers 1st and 10 from their own 10 with 1:05 left.

If you call a run on 1st down, if it goes for like 8 or less, SF probably uses one of their timeouts immediately thinking GB is just trying to run out the clock. If you get a first down, you can spike it and have about 45s to go 40 yards, but you've taken basically all the downside possibilities out of play. With the pressure they were getting on Rodgers, a sack or a close INT weren't totally out of the question.
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10-16-2018 , 09:08 AM
and it wasn't a run up the middle, it was a run outside. Much better chance of stopping the clock
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10-16-2018 , 09:21 AM
Counterpoint



https://mobile.twitter.com/billbarnw...35885531844608
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10-16-2018 , 09:27 AM
They'll never see it coming!
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10-16-2018 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
Fat Mike was trying to run the clock out on the last drive and lucked into a 13 yard gain oob
This has to be remembered.

Mike was literally trying to run out the clock and go to OT and lucked into a game-winning drive.
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10-16-2018 , 09:31 AM
Post-game interview with Rodgers made it sound like Mike's plan on the last drive was to just head to overtime until that run picked up so many yards.

**** my pony
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10-16-2018 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Post-game interview with Rodgers made it sound like Mike's plan on the last drive was to just head to overtime until that run picked up so many yards.

**** my pony
Yeah Fat Mike was 100% playing for overtime. Rodgers postgame interview was basically:

"What were your thoughts coming into the game with 1:07 left."

"Honestly...overtime, but then Ty busted out that big run."
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10-16-2018 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Counterpoint



https://mobile.twitter.com/billbarnw...35885531844608
multiple benefits to running there

1) If you pass every time and the defense knows you're passing every time the pass rush will be brutal.
2) A failed run has fewer bad consequences than a failed pass. Failed pass stops the clock and greatly increases the chances for SF to get the ball back with about a minute and some timeouts. Failed run ending inbounds practically guarantees overtime.

So it's not Fat Mike playing for overtime or playing to win. It's Fat Mike giving the team a chance to win in regulation while denying that same chance to the niners. Which seems...smart?

And you can't discount that the play worked. The fact that it gained 13 yards and stopped the clock is a pretty good indication that it was a good call for the defensive scheme that the niners were using there.
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10-16-2018 , 02:17 PM
After watching that GW drive the only reasonable conclusion I can make is fat Mike had to use the restroom and told everybody let Aaron call the plays. Those last 2 passes to get the chipshot FG could not possibly have been called from the sideline
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10-16-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
1) If you pass every time and the defense knows you're passing every time the pass rush will be brutal.
in theory this should be true but i dont feel there's much evidence for it

in must-pass situations the defense just gets manhandled most of the time by any decent QB

(totally anecdotal ofc)
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10-16-2018 , 02:41 PM
Run blocking basically gives your OL a play off. Pass blocking takes quite a bit more effort.
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10-16-2018 , 03:07 PM
Keed, Point 1 is complete garbage. When you have AARON ****ING RODGERS AS YOUR FOOTBALL QUARTERBACK, no time outs left and 1:07 left and are starting at your 10 yard line, you do not run the ball to fool the defense.*

Point 2 is correct. you run here because you would rather be a coin flip to win OT than let your quarterback, WHO HAPPENS TO BE AARON ****ING RODGERS, try to score with over a minute left.

Of course he is playing for OT, because, as you so compellingly argue in point 2, running is what you do here when you are playing for OT, and AARON ****ING RODGERS SAID IN THE POST-GAME INTERVIEW THAT THEY WERE PLAYING FOR OT.

*Even if they were running to try to fool the defense (which they weren't), this is a defense that is too stupid to be able to cover sideline routes when the other team has no TOs left. You do not need to fool these guys. You can do exactly what everyone knows you will be doing and they will still let you do it.
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Fat Mike ... seems...smart.
This may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on 2p2 and is a Terry Bradshaw-level dumb take but at least he gets paid millions of dollars to be a buffoon on TV.

Last edited by gregorio; 10-16-2018 at 03:12 PM.
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10-16-2018 , 03:18 PM
The best points for running the ball in the last drive is to consume the clock, and get some yards because GB had been successful all night running the ball. Counterpoint SF had all 3 TOs and could stop the clock at least twice if they wanted.
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10-16-2018 , 03:26 PM
SF having 3 timeouts is a positive for running the ball! With three timeouts if GB throws incomplete on first down it puts GB in a pretty bad situation.
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10-16-2018 , 03:26 PM
I think that FAT MIKE probably lucked into what I think was the right decision by making it for the wrong reasons.

As great as Rodgers is, he's not 100% healthy, his only reliable WR's are Adams and Jimmy Graham, and he was 26/45 on the night including the ridiculous last drive. He was also sacked 3 times. He wasn't invincible or unstoppable last night.

Let's say he throws two incompletions and one short of the sticks to go 3 and out. Then you're giving SF the ball at their own 40 with 35-40s left and two TO's. They have 40s to go 25 yards to set up a GW FG attempt. The downsides are certainly possible.
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10-16-2018 , 03:30 PM
Yeah I mean I hate FAT MIKE more than most people but not everything he does is dumb. And holy **** there is nothing worse than FAT BILL BARNWELL smugly and incorrectly pointing out a coaching mistake.
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10-16-2018 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Let's say he throws two incompletions and one short of the sticks to go 3 and out. Then you're giving SF the ball at their own 40 with 35-40s left and two TO's. They have 40s to go 25 yards to set up a GW FG attempt. The downsides are certainly possible.
They actually did worse that this. After the run for 14 to stop the clock, they had 3 incompletes and a -5 yard penalty and were punting from their own 19 with 49 seconds left, so they ended up only gaining 9 yards and killing 18 seconds. But then Sherman or the refs o/w saved the day. I still think you put the ball in Rodger's hands there, especially after the drive before was 58 yards in 4 plays for a TD. Without a top tier QB, then sure run out the clock.
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10-16-2018 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
SF having 3 timeouts is a positive for running the ball! With three timeouts if GB throws incomplete on first down it puts GB in a pretty bad situation.
With 3 TOs clock is not going to be an issue for SF. 3 runs they get the ball around midfield with 4/5 plays to get a decent FG chance. Without the TOs it def. goes to OT.
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