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rewatching the 5th round on youtube...30 seconds in sonnen takes silva to the ground

joe: "i mean, is it too early for chael to start celebrating? that's the question"

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joe was also the one who said at like 3.5 minutes "you can never count silva out, that is why he is the champion"

boom, triangle.

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08-08-2010 , 01:37 AM

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as a silva fan, i still feel he basically lost. really poor performances but nice suck out. basically hit a 1 outter.

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08-08-2010 , 01:54 AM

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silva said his doctor told him not to fight... who knows

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08-08-2010 , 02:12 AM

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Watching the fight, my cousin pointed out that after the first round Silva grabbed his rib immediately which makes me think the injury thing is a bit more legit.

Either way, incredibly night of fights.

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08-08-2010 , 02:12 AM

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looks like rashad evans after his face got all puffy.

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08-08-2010 , 02:49 AM

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admittedly i don't understand ALL the nuances to stuff like this so maybe someone can explain it to me

after re-watching the last round, sonnen only tapped silva's leg once. more than likely sonnen would have tapped eventually anyway, but since when does only one tap constitute tapping out to the point where the consensus is that he "clearly" tapped out?

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08-08-2010 , 03:02 AM

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pretty clear, imo.

and i had no money on the fight and have re-wound 3 different times now, intent was clear.

now, afterwards i'm SURE he didn't want to because he slipped out, but in the moment, his intent was clear.

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08-08-2010 , 04:04 AM

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Fedor's loss to Werdum was 'one tap'

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08-08-2010 , 06:12 PM

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random question - but when Sonnen taps is it because he is about to go to sleep or because his arm is about to be broken? It seems like if you are on the edge of consciousness you could def instinctively tap and not really realize it.

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08-08-2010 , 07:24 PM

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He obv. tapped because he didn't protest it. Awesome match, and I bet on Sonnen. Just shows what hard work can do for you. I wonder what the odds will be in a rematch.

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08-08-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Mmhm, I was going to say that the Fedor tap was a 1-tapper but didn't remember it well enough to be sure.

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08-08-2010 , 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsRainingMen

tapping once is tapping out. the potential for ******edness if fighters were allowed to tap once and then continue fighting should be obvious.

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does it matter? i doubt he meant to scream in his match vs filho but it still counted as a verbal submission.

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08-08-2010 , 09:39 PM

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debating with two of my roomates........ who had the "smarter" fight? Did anyone get lucky in this fight?

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08-08-2010 , 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lukebro22

debating with two of my roomates........ who had the "smarter" fight? Did anyone get lucky in this fight?

"The best pound for pound fighter in the world" got his ass kicked for 23 minutes.

There's not much to debate beside Silva being "the best pound for pound fighter in the world".

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08-08-2010 , 10:10 PM

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I used to hate Hughes so much, but that was ridiculously awesome last night.

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08-08-2010 , 10:11 PM

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tapping once is tapping out. the potential for ******edness if fighters were allowed to tap once and then continue fighting should be obvious.

it's clear his intent was he was giving up, i'm not suggesting he didn't submit, it's clear he did, i just don't remember it being 1 tap and it's done

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08-08-2010 , 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Phildo

tapping once is tapping out. the potential for ******edness if fighters were allowed to tap once and then continue fighting should be obvious.

does it matter? i doubt he meant to scream in his match vs filho but it still counted as a verbal submission.

well yeah it does...cuz that was my question given I'm a MMA newb

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08-08-2010 , 11:52 PM

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Although I've never been in that move, I'm guessing it's a combo of both since you are struggling to keep your arm unbroken which you can't do if you're asleep.

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08-09-2010 , 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrane

Mmhm, I was going to say that the Fedor tap was a 1-tapper but didn't remember it well enough to be sure.

your memory is completely accurate--- a single Tap and BJM correctly
called it. However, in the ring Fedor would repeat, "I am allright, I am allright"
when questioned about his elbow joint.

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08-09-2010 , 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Given his position, Silva did a pretty good job avoiding most of the heavy damage.

Other than fatigue, Silva had very little damage, amazing considering
the blows he took. Unfortunately Chael needed the attention of a plastic
surgeon for two nasty facial lacerations (courtesy of two elbows).

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08-09-2010 , 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Bando

Although I've never been in that move, I'm guessing it's a combo of both since you are struggling to keep your arm unbroken which you can't do if you're asleep.

Within a couple of minutes of being allowed to calm down, Sonnen did indicate
to josh rosenthal, and others in the cage, like myself, that he did tap.
that triangle is exceedingly painful, and taping is the smart thing to do---sunk
tight, there really is no escape.

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08-09-2010 , 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf

well yeah it does...cuz that was my question given I'm a MMA newb

these are the kind of things gone over in pre-event rules meetings, usually
just after the weighins--single tap, verbal tap, all count the same

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08-09-2010 , 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

silva said his doctor told him not to fight... who knows

he suffered a rib seperation about 3 weeks pre-fight.
that is painful, really cannot be treated other than activity modification, that
is hard to do before a fight. the overwhelming number of top level mma athletes
would have done the same.
a Matt Hughes quote "no one is 100% before a fight" rings true.

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08-09-2010 , 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by VayaConDios

what a donk move by Sonnen

Sonnen was obviously the aggressor most of the fight. See his post-fight interview on MMAWEEKly----he felt that getting Silva to the ground, working to
improve position, was the safest way to run out the clock. It sure worked for
23 minutes.
Had Chael let him up, but stepping back, and getting clocked by a high kick,
muy thai knees, he would be criticized too. Up to then, his control form
closed guard was strong. Anderson's BJJ training showed through---he is a great champion.