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Against the elite HW's I'd think his lack of punching power would be a problem. They could walk through his defense better.

We're talking guys that would be 30-40 pounds bigger than him though.

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07-30-2017 , 10:40 PM

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DodgerIrish

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Right, so let's cool the breaks about Jones running thru HW's just bc DC knocked out Big Foot.

Brock is size alone. Jones should be able to out technique him to an arm and neck/arm triangle or d'arce choke or whatev.

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07-30-2017 , 11:52 PM

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I'm pretty sure jon does well at hw but it ends his career earlier due to everyone there having ko power with 4oz gloves & he can't dominate the wrestling due to size disadvantage. Give him another year or 2 and if he keeps winning he will have to move up.

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07-31-2017 , 12:32 AM

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He was calling out Brock in the post fight and they asked him if he wanted to fight Stipe and he did more back peddling than both Cormier fights combined.

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07-31-2017 , 12:33 AM

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Jon knows exactly what Overream is capable of and he saw Stipe sleep him

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07-31-2017 , 01:17 AM

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Roided brock vs jones would be fun otherwise brocks 40 he probably gets knocked out quick without chemical help

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07-31-2017 , 06:46 AM

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Jones would struggle with the sheer mass and knock out power. He would also have to increase his own size significantly which would negatively effect his athletic style. I don't see him titling at HW. Could probably best anyone outside top 4-5.

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07-31-2017 , 07:03 AM

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it's really really stupid that if cormier doesn't move down he has a shot at being the best heavyweight ever, instead he's a pariah with few fans who can't beat a lowly light heavyweight... especially when said light heavyweight would get snapped like a twig by some of the people cormier's beat.

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07-31-2017 , 07:52 AM

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Rumble, Josh Barnett and Big foot about the only ones on DC record worth mentioning.

And Gustavson but JJ beat him as well.

JJ went through murderers row in comparison ffs.

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07-31-2017 , 09:44 AM

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He beat Mir and Nelson as well. Not the best wins but notable.

And he is considered the 2nd or 3rd best LHW of all time. So I dunno if I'd say he is a pariah.

I'd like to see him move up and try to make 1 last run at HW. Atleast fight a top level HW like JDS or Reem.

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07-31-2017 , 10:17 AM

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DC has a very impressive resume imo he just can't beat jones if he doesn't get more creative. I wouldn't be surprised if he beat jones if he wasn't predictable

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07-31-2017 , 10:33 AM

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I think DC is a better fighter, but he's just at such a physical disadvantage vs jon jones.

His reach advantage over DC is just ridiculous.

DC is around 73", JJ is around 85".
Anderson Silva who had an insane reach for MW is only 77.5"

Weidman has a 77" reach, Rockhold 78".
Chuck Liddell who basically made Tito his ***** just based on his reach was 77", to Titos 74".

Bisping is 75.5"

For example Kelvin Gastelum is 71.5" reach.
Connor Mcgreggor has a 74" reach, Jose Aldo 70".

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07-31-2017 , 10:56 AM

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DC gets KO'd by the top ranked HWs like Cain and Stipe pretty easily IMO.

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07-31-2017 , 10:57 AM

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DC is a very good fighter, he can't beat one of the GOAT fighters and we act like he's a chump. JJ size and reach vs DC is just insane, 5" height advantage and a 12"(crazy) reach advantage is a lot to overcome vs a great fighter. Pretty impossible to get close against kicks and that reach, good thing DC has a good chin so he can eat punches before he finds an opening. DC was doing good but a big kick to the head will drop anyone.

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07-31-2017 , 11:07 AM

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Yeah he's a good fighter but that's it.

Far from great.

He's a company man and has been well promoted, don't think he ever deserved the plaudits.

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07-31-2017 , 11:10 AM

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How are you defining good and great?

I'd say he is the 2nd best LHW of all time.

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07-31-2017 , 11:17 AM

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Great...Someone that dominates top class competition for a prolonged period of time.

Good...Someone that can beat most 2nd rank fighters.

This conversation spawned from......

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lowly light heavyweight... especially when said light heavyweight would get snapped like a twig by some of the people cormier's beat.

Really?

Imo JJ is levels above Cormier both in the cage and who he has fought against.

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07-31-2017 , 11:43 AM

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If there is no JBJ, DC probably has a 3-4 year run as champ and is the most dominant champ in the UFC though.

If DC isn't "great" then what other LHW's are? What other fighters are?

Your great tier must be incredibly small.

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07-31-2017 , 11:45 AM

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Watching Cormier beat everybody at LHW and then lose badly to JBJ shows how special a talent Jones is.

JBJ isn't just the best LHW of all-time. He's the best by a landslide. DC would be the top LHW at any other time. Unfortunately, he happens to be fighting at the same time as Jones.

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07-31-2017 , 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by martymc1

Yeah he's a good fighter but that's it.

Far from great.

He's a company man and has been well promoted, don't think he ever deserved the plaudits.

Saying DC is not great when the only guy who beat him in two weight classes is hard to argue against being the goat is hard to understand. He wasn't promoted particularly hard by the UFC in my memory, but I could be wrong. What are you referring to?

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Agreed. The only question I still have is mma math regarding whether jones could beat every fighter that D.C. can/could, and vice versa, but jones will have to lose to someone someday to even make that argument.

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07-31-2017 , 12:40 PM

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DC is basically the LHW GSP if Bones goes NFL like his bros.

And I'd say Rumble/Gus are better wins than anything GSP did as champ. Although that is a little debatable.

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07-31-2017 , 12:48 PM

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Sorry im not a fan of wrasslehumping.

I must say that Saturday night was the best I've seen DC, he made it a fight but never been impressed previously....see above.

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07-31-2017 , 12:50 PM

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I'm not either but we're talking about the pedigree and caliber of the fighters, not how aesthetically pleasing their style of fighting is.

His resume/ability as a fighter is elite level unless your "elite" list is very short and only GOAT discussion types.

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07-31-2017 , 12:55 PM

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OK, he's a great wrasslehumper.

He never beat the elite HW's like the original post was making out.

JJ killed nothing but elite fighters.

Resume don't compare.

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07-31-2017 , 01:04 PM

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Even though GSP decisioned his last 7/8 fights his resume is also streets ahead of DC.

C'mon da ****.

Gus/Rumble only 2 contenders, GSP faced 10+ and some of those more than once.

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