you literally said "his fist or palm wasn't on the ground" when clearly his fists are on ground. Now you're saying palms.

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Neither Weidman's fist nor palm was on the ground when the knee connected with his head. How is this complicated?

Going to take the other side here, not on the "hands on the ground" debate, that's clear, but on why that matters.

I realize in advance that this is a slippery slope, but why does where his hands are when he was hit matter? Dude threw a knee to the head against a grounded opponent. Yeah, the idea that two hands makes someone grounded is dumb, but it's the rule and when Moose threw that knee he was aiming at an illegal target.

Whenever practical, legality should be determinined by when the strike is thrown. We already do this with groin strikes. If a fighter lunches a kick towards a leg, but the person getting hit twists in such a way he gets hit in the groin, we typically call it incidental and move on after 5 minutes. The same standard should apply to illegal strikes.

If the opponent is geoinded, don't throw an illegal strike hoping it's no longer illegal when it lands.

But Mousasi deliberately lifted Weidman up so that the knee would be legal, which seems like good technique. It would be too easy to game the system if a fighter could avoid knees to the head by putting his hands on the ground.

Right, like I said, it's a slippery slope, but just forbidding "targetting" an illegal strike is a cleaner way to police it than whatever that cluster was.

Yeah, Moose used great technique in pulling CW up, but what if it had been just a touch less effective? He clearly knees a downed opp.

Yeah, it will remove a few strikes from the arsenal but if an opponent is downed or very nearly downed, just strike another way.

Weidman was clearly not downed, he basically chose to be in that position

The rule change was implemented to prevent the exact angleshoot Weidman was trying to pull, hopefully this fight puts an end to all this nonsense

I'm honestly not sure why the hands matter at all rally. Should just be the same as the NFL, any point other than the hands and feet is downed.

Two feet and two hands, standing.

One knee down, downed.

On your ass, downed.

Get pride rules on the go. Football kicks to the head.

too bad this smothered all discussion of rumble/cormier, which was a fun fight.

Really couldn't believe how poor Rumble's gameplan was. Seemed like he could have/should have won if he had just kept the distance instead of voluntarily clinching.

The gameplan was there, he just didn't stick to it.

I have nothing to back this up but my gut tells me that with retirement in his head Rumble just didnt want to take any meaningful damage. Didnt want to risk getting KO'd and once DC had him it seemed like he just rolled over and quit giving up his neck.

Wouldn't have mattered. Cormier is so damn strong. No idea what he's made of.

It's a reasonable theory. He mentioned a post-fight career already in the works and maybe didn't want to do something to put that in jeopardy.

Magomedov lands a clean punch, Green acts like its an eye poke and the ref pauses teh fight, lets green recover and warns Magomedov that he will take a point next time. What a joke.

Seems like UFC wants Waterson to be their next female star with Ronda/Tate gone and PVZ not being very good, really promoting her this week.

Hot, well spoken, mom, etc

Wow Jacare just got killed by Whitaker.

Whitaker just needs to wait 3 years for Bisping to fight GSP, Silva, Sonnen, Wanderleigh, Hendo part 3 and then he can maybe get a title shot if he doesn't lose between now and then.

Aaaaaaand it's gone

Hopefully Mighty Mouse does a catchweight fight with someone like Cruz/TJ/Cody

Him smashing these guys in his division is getting boring

Jacare was terrible. Throwing big right hands that whiffed because he hadn't bothered to set them up. No feints, combinations, or any other approach to getting the takedown other than walking forward and hoping Whittaker would obligingly fall into his grasp.

With Jacare losing, if GSP beats Bisping, that division is gonna be a complete trainwreck ****show. Well, more than it already is.

Thuggy Rose gonna get next shot at JJ
There was already talk of Cruz-dj 2 a few weeks back while they wait for TUF to finish

Also, clear top 4 p4p of all time: Jones, Silva, GSP, DJ

No Fedor? He had an amazing run in Pride.

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Getting merc'd by Hendo kinda dispelled a lot of his narratives.

One thing to be outsized by Big Foot, another to get caught in Werdum's guard, but a MW/LHW making you go limp from a weird angle is a diff story.

He was clearly passed his prime at that time. He had some great wins over crocop, big nog, etc. To go undefeated for that long at heavyweight is very impressive.

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