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05-15-2010 , 11:53 PM
Kyacey vs Kris - who ya got?
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05-16-2010 , 12:02 AM
wow when is overeem's contract over?


and I didnt like how the referee didnt warn him even once to watch the back of the head.

but sick sick showing
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05-16-2010 , 12:08 AM
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wow when is overeem's contract over?


and I didnt like how the referee didnt warn him even once to watch the back of the head.

but sick sick showing
I hate this rule, if thats the only thing available to hit what else are you going to do.

But yea he absolutely beasted, really want to see him and Fedor, hopefully by the end of the year after Fedor gets by Werdum. That'll be right up there with Lesnar/Carwin as far as HW fight anticipation, and if it's on PPV I'll be ordering and I'm sure plenty of others will also.

Jacare was also very impressive, Roger Gracie too, if he focuses on MMA he could definitely be a force in the LHW division.
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05-16-2010 , 01:31 AM
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t 'f-ing' y.
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05-16-2010 , 03:17 AM
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No, that's not the reason. It's the same reason how Frank Mir bulked up to 265+ and Carwin still overpowered him in the clinch. There's a huge difference between bulking up to get to a certain size and just being naturally that size. Carwin and Brock are just enormous humans and they are natrually walking around at 270+ and don't have to do anything special to get to that size. There are also just core muscles you get from years of wrestling that you just can't get from weight training.
I actually asked Shane two days ago on the UG what he's walking at right now and he said 291. The man is two things:

A: A monster
B: A prolific poster on the UG

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I've only seen his UFC fights, so i can't comment pre-UFC. With that said, I think hes shown enough improvement during his time in the UFC that we can somewhat discount pre-UFC stuff as well.

I'm pretty sure he came into the Lutter fight with major knee or leg injuries of some kind, which severely limited his TDD. Henderson was quite impressive in the first round, but Silva avoided any major punishment and round 2 was a completely different story. I think its significant that the first two fights that I think of when I think of "whats a fight where Silva got taken down" both ended in Silva submitting his opponents on the ground. It all goes back to what I was saying earlier about Silva's standing game being so good that it causes us to underrate his ground game. Maybe he didn't focus on TDD too much for those fights because he felt confident(and correctly so) that he could get the best of those two opponents on the groud. Maybe he won't feel that same way about Carwin and will practice better TDD against him.




As I said, in the past Silva has been taken down and then won the fight on the ground. If Silva respects his opponent's ground game more, then its quite probable he'll be focusing quite a bit more on TDD during his training and while in the ring.


I just don't follow this logic of yours though:

1. In the past, against guys with good but not great ground game, Silva has been taken down and ended up winning the fight on the ground

2. Carwin has a much better ground game than any of those guys, so Silva probably won't be able to best him on the ground

3. Therefore Silva is going to be taken down by Carwin and beaten on the ground("easily" according to you btw)


I mean, thats pretty much a 100% accurate description of what you're saying, is it not? It completely and totally ignores the concept that maybe, just maybe, Silva doesn't mind going to the ground against guys who are mediocre on the ground but would go way out of his way to avoid doing so against a guy like Carwin. I mean, wasn't it Silva who brought the fight to the ground against Henderson in the 2nd round? Doesn't that alone show how different his strategy was against Henderson than it would be against Carwin?




You've said this multiple times now, and its really nothing more than hyperbolic words. Its not convincing me of anything.




LOL@ easily. Ah yea, so because quicker lighter fighters(who Silva doesn't fear as much on the ground) got Silva to the ground, surely Carwin will as well.....still not following this logic, man.




He has the most accurate and effective standup of any fighter in the world. Of course he "can" miss, but he lands an absurd number of his punches thrown.



He didn't KO Maia because he employed a no risk gameplan. Weren't you the one saying a few weeks ago that Silva could've easily KOed Maia if he wanted to?

But I'm glad you brought up Maia....here was a fight where everyone knew Maia's only chance was to take it to the ground. And he didn't even come close. In his most recent fight, against an opponent who clearly posed a threat to Silva on the ground, Silva's TDD was phenomenal. Isn't that more telling that earlier fights in which Silva may or may not have truly been bothered by going to the ground?








Try again.

I wrestled in HS. I took a few months of private ju jitsu lessons, but my instructor moved away and I never did pursue it....only knew basic guard, arm bar, mount, etc. type stuff. I've always been quite quick for my size(205 lbs right now), as I was even able to play DII guard on a basketball team despite being pretty short and stocky looking.

I also played o-line/TE in HS football, and the leverage concepts there can carry over to wrestling a bit.
I'm just going to give up. It is Assani. Boiling oats and such. No reason to continue.
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05-16-2010 , 09:33 AM
overeem was pretty impressive. sick build. wonder if he fights fedor how effective he will be but i'd love to see it.
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05-16-2010 , 11:23 PM
Assani u are the most ridiculous person ever
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05-17-2010 , 12:13 AM
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Assani u are the most ridiculous person ever
Blasphemy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdNiXidfLcc
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05-17-2010 , 12:14 AM
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Assani u are the most ridiculous person ever
not true
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05-17-2010 , 12:18 AM
Damnit, TuT!
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05-17-2010 , 01:53 AM
ouch, hated to see Arlovski going down

And that gus fella should quit mma wtf
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05-18-2010 , 03:36 AM
blurgggghhhh this thread has no structure what so ever its just a bunch of random questions, needs some discussion imo...for instance, Rampage vs Rashad

Ive Got Rashad to win by K.O late in the Rd1 or in the first half of Rd2, simply because of the fact that Rashad hits real real hard, and it will be a shock to Rampage, especially when Rampage is only coming of wins over Jardine and Silva who are not really known for there heavy hitting.

Should be a great spectacle whatever happens
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05-18-2010 , 10:43 AM
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awesome
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05-18-2010 , 01:16 PM
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Ive Got Rashad to win by K.O late in the Rd1 or in the first half of Rd2, simply because of the fact that Rashad hits real real hard, and it will be a shock to Rampage, especially when Rampage is only coming of wins over Jardine and Silva who are not really known for there heavy hitting.
Haha have you seen their first two fights? Did you just start watching MMA?
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05-18-2010 , 02:08 PM
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Haha have you seen their first two fights? Did you just start watching MMA?
Yea seriously, Wanderlei has decapitated several men in his life. Rampage has 1 loss ever in the UFC and that was a decision many think he won. Rampage has also never been rocked by a punch in his career, his KO losses to Silva and Shogun were a result of knees. Rampage has better standup than Rashad and also has some of the best takedown defense in the history of the sport. Rashad's biggest chance of winning this fight is to land a haymaker like he did on Chuck, but Rampage is a much better defensive fighter than Chuck is or ever was.
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05-18-2010 , 05:11 PM
Rampage is better standing than Rashad, at least boxingwise.

He's shown a weakness to leg kicks, but Rashad hasn't been a huge leg-kick guy. If he's smart Rashad will definitely work that, Forrest nearly took his leg off and Jardine also utilized leg kicks pretty well.

But as was pointed out, Rampage has beaten Eastman, Jardine, Wandy, Chuck, Henderson in the UFC, and his only loss is a close decision to Forrest. Rampage is very, very good standing. He's especially good against a boxer-type, less good against a Muay Thai expert. He can be KO'd by knees and hobbled by leg kicks, but against a guy who mostly boxes he's awesome. Rashad mostly boxes.

I expect Rampage to win.
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05-18-2010 , 05:41 PM


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05-18-2010 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy
Yea seriously, Wanderlei has decapitated several men in his life. Rampage has 1 loss ever in the UFC and that was a decision many think he won. Rampage has also never been rocked by a punch in his career, his KO losses to Silva and Shogun were a result of knees. Rampage has better standup than Rashad and also has some of the best takedown defense in the history of the sport. Rashad's biggest chance of winning this fight is to land a haymaker like he did on Chuck, but Rampage is a much better defensive fighter than Chuck is or ever was.
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Rampage is better standing than Rashad, at least boxingwise.

He's shown a weakness to leg kicks, but Rashad hasn't been a huge leg-kick guy. If he's smart Rashad will definitely work that, Forrest nearly took his leg off and Jardine also utilized leg kicks pretty well.

But as was pointed out, Rampage has beaten Eastman, Jardine, Wandy, Chuck, Henderson in the UFC, and his only loss is a close decision to Forrest. Rampage is very, very good standing. He's especially good against a boxer-type, less good against a Muay Thai expert. He can be KO'd by knees and hobbled by leg kicks, but against a guy who mostly boxes he's awesome. Rashad mostly boxes.

I expect Rampage to win.
Evans seems to be the smarter fighter, Evans usually has a very well thought out game plan, Rampage has been off filming movies. I say Evans does indeed attack with the leg kicks, which softens up Rampage for a takedown or two. Evans by decision.
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05-18-2010 , 07:04 PM
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Haha have you seen their first two fights? Did you just start watching MMA?
so your telling me that behind the knees and the stomp/kicks that wanderlei has KO power with his fists?
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05-18-2010 , 07:20 PM
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so your telling me that behind the knees and the stomp/kicks that wanderlei has KO power with his fists?
You know MMA is not boxing and that you are allowed to knee and kick right? And yeah he does have KO power in his fists. The thing is when he has people on the ropes he throws his knees to finish. I don't really understand what you mean because I didn't say that he is really heavy handed but if you've seen him fight he has huge KO power in his fists/knees.
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05-18-2010 , 07:51 PM
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You know MMA is not boxing and that you are allowed to knee and kick right? And yeah he does have KO power in his fists. The thing is when he has people on the ropes he throws his knees to finish. I don't really understand what you mean because I didn't say that he is really heavy handed but if you've seen him fight he has huge KO power in his fists/knees.
the point i was getting at is that Rampage hasnt fought someone with Rashads power in a while...so i feel it might come to him as a shock how hard Rashad bangs.

Dude i understand the way i said what i said could have been interpreted as like n00bish or sumin, but im not paticularly new to MMA.
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05-18-2010 , 08:13 PM
I agree Rashads camp will come up with a good gameplan, fight gonna be interesting
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05-18-2010 , 08:50 PM
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Evans seems to be the smarter fighter, Evans usually has a very well thought out game plan, Rampage has been off filming movies. I say Evans does indeed attack with the leg kicks, which softens up Rampage for a takedown or two. Evans by decision.
I mean this really doesn't matter, training camp for a fight is only about 6 weeks. It's not like filming would've interfered with his training. If Rashad can take Rampage down he'll probably get the win, but Rampage is just so damn strong. As you said Evans has never used leg kicks, it's really hard to have 18 or 19 professional fights, be fighting for 6 or 7 years and then all of sudden start using something you've never done. We may see a few leg kicks from Rashad but it's not something he'll be comfortable enough with to stick with.
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