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11-08-2021 , 05:41 AM
Who's next for Usman ? Doesn't look like anyone in the top 10 WW rankings stands a chance vs him. Maybe Khamzat Chimaev ?
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11-08-2021 , 08:29 AM
Luque, Edwards rematch and if Chimaev get 1-2 wins, then him.

I know Esparza vs Namajunas makes all the sense, but personally would prefer to see Rose vs Rodriguez. That would be one hell of a fight.
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11-08-2021 , 09:30 AM
Chances of khabib coming back to fight Usman? How big of fight would that be? What would be the betting odds on it?
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11-08-2021 , 12:34 PM
Extremely unlikely.
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11-08-2021 , 01:43 PM
Usman stated multiple times that he won't fight Khabib when Khabib was active.

So less than zero
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11-08-2021 , 03:02 PM
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Usman stated multiple times that he won't fight Khabib when Khabib was active.

So less than zero
Is there a reason why? Are they friends?
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11-08-2021 , 03:12 PM
Yeh and shared manager. Also wouldn't fight Izzy because he's Nigerian.
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11-08-2021 , 05:45 PM
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Chances of khabib coming back to fight Usman? How big of fight would that be? What would be the betting odds on it?
That is what I would like to see .
Khabib with couple tiramisu should be good to go .
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11-08-2021 , 07:47 PM
My guess is if Khabib would fight Usman, he'd do it considering that is a good matchup for him. Probably knows Khabib wouldn't.

I'm not really into comparing eras but I don't think it is close who fought harder comp between Usman/GSP.

Hendricks beat GSP

Conditt had GSP rocked

Usman has never been in anything remotely close to that kinda trouble.
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11-09-2021 , 01:55 AM
Usman says he wants a challenge, but conveniently won't fight Izzy at MW, wouldn't fight Khabib, and when Chimaev is brought up Usman starts talking about retirement.

Dana, please give Chimaev a top 5 guy to fight ASAP so that he has a chance to fight Usman before he conveniently retires.


This sport is very young and is advancing rapidly. It's silly to call anyone the GOAT this early in a sport's history.

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Dana was watching Canelo apparently:

Dana bet $100k on Canelo by KO.
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11-09-2021 , 08:11 PM
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My guess is if Khabib would fight Usman, he'd do it considering that is a good matchup for him. Probably knows Khabib wouldn't.

I'm not really into comparing eras but I don't think it is close who fought harder comp between Usman/GSP.

Hendricks beat GSP

Conditt had GSP rocked

Usman has never been in anything remotely close to that kinda trouble.
It is your opinion Hendrix beat gsp .
To me it was a draw at best for Hendrix .
Which 3 rounds Hendrix actually won iyo?
Not to mention at that time Hendrix was juiced up to the hilt .
He was just touching people and was knocking down top 5 contenders.
Obv. he was roids up .
They were agreeing to be tested and in the prior week of the fight Hendrix backed off lol .
Strangely UFC start steroid check in 2015 and since then Hendrix went 1-5.
Yeah I know coincidence …..

Condit was able to rock a little gsp ok
And ?
Silva got rock by chael in their first match .
Jones got a lucky win imo ( I was very surprise he won that match ) and was rocked vs Gustafson.
Plenty example like that ,shrug .
Anyone can get rocked on .
Gsp got his nose broken In his first fight vs bj penn he still won .



Yes because usman didn’t fought great competition like gsp ?
Which champion usman actually beat beside woodley ?

Woodley that lost vs a guy like jake shield , demian maia , benson Henderson , al laquinta , barely best wonderboy ?

Jake shield after his lost vs gsp did beat guys like demain maya and woodley and going vs gsp just came out win on guys like Dan Henderson ( heavier right ? ) , lawler , etc….
Jack shield wasn’t tougher competition vs gsp but jake was same level of not better than all those guys usman beat .

Usman beat twice masvidal and Covington wow ….
Never been champions btw …..
Covington good no arguing but who did he beat ?
Lawler at 37 being 2-6 in the last 5 years vs win over way past their time in Diaz and cerrone ?
Damian maia at 40 years old ?
34 year old dos anjos not in his weight class imo .

It is always hard to comparing different era , especially when lot of guys could still get better and win titles and all .
But for now , to me usman great but didn’t really beat much any champions and legend yet …
And those that usman beat have some wins that are meh and loses they shouldn’t have to be considered awesome …

When you look at gsp opponent they were all in their prime too .

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11-09-2021 , 09:48 PM
I was excluding being juiced since I think that is kinda pointless to bring up. Usman is probably as well, doubt GSP is just drinking protein shakes either. But sure, Hendricks was obviously sauced up.

Covington would've likely been champ if he got to fight Woodley when he was supposed to, he's been the best or 2nd best WW for like 4 years now and he beat him 2x with a TKO. Not to mention dominated Woodley who was champ for 3 years at the time.

I really don't have anything to add, just my opinion, obviously can't prove he is the best. GSP coming back to cherrypick Bisping over fighting Woodley (a beatable opponent if he is the GOAT, even with the layoff) was pretty weak to me.
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11-09-2021 , 11:34 PM
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I was excluding being juiced since I think that is kinda pointless to bring up. Usman is probably as well, doubt GSP is just drinking protein shakes either. But sure, Hendricks was obviously sauced up.

Covington would've likely been champ if he got to fight Woodley when he was supposed to, he's been the best or 2nd best WW for like 4 years now and he beat him 2x with a TKO. Not to mention dominated Woodley who was champ for 3 years at the time.

I really don't have anything to add, just my opinion, obviously can't prove he is the best. GSP coming back to cherrypick Bisping over fighting Woodley (a beatable opponent if he is the GOAT, even with the layoff) was pretty weak to me.
i didnt mention bisping cause i agree .
But all im saying is when i look at who did vs who , to me its clear usman got some miles to pull on cause all his wins are vs guys who never were champion (beside woodley who did lost vs guys gsp beat) or vs opponent gsp certainly would of won easily as well.

Anyway i just think its too soon to tell.
lot of thing can happened in the next 5 years and change my mind.
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11-19-2021 , 10:06 AM
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I was excluding being juiced since I think that is kinda pointless to bring up. Usman is probably as well, doubt GSP is just drinking protein shakes either. But sure, Hendricks was obviously sauced up.

Covington would've likely been champ if he got to fight Woodley when he was supposed to, he's been the best or 2nd best WW for like 4 years now and he beat him 2x with a TKO. Not to mention dominated Woodley who was champ for 3 years at the time.

I really don't have anything to add, just my opinion, obviously can't prove he is the best. GSP coming back to cherrypick Bisping over fighting Woodley (a beatable opponent if he is the GOAT, even with the layoff) was pretty weak to me.
This is a silly thing to be critical of TBH.

MMA is Prize FIghting. Fighters given the opportunity will always take the highest reward fight (money and legacy) with the lowest perceived risk. And fighting Bisping is nothing like Mayweather fighting Conor McGregor or Paul.

Lets look at the facts:

- GSP was retired for 4 years at the time so any fight is dangerous for him
- GSP was actively negating for a Legacy fight with the UFC for some time prior to Bisping smelling that belt so his decision to come back had nothing to do with Bisping. It was just good timing for him
- LIke him or not Bisping was arguably one of the top MW in terms of consistent time in the Top 10 MW rankings over years, often in title fight contender fights against other top contenders he lost. But he was mostly always on that edge.
- Bisping despite a long and great career at MW was on the BEST run of his MW career with wins over his biggest names at MW when he took that belt from a top Luke Rockhold, also in his Prime and also registering his best top wins of his career.

So ya like Bisping or not, for the MW division in the UFC he was always a good enough fighter to only lose to the very top contenders who ended up Champs or in title fights after beating him. NO one not at that level was not beating him.


And lets also remember what was the perceived way to beat GSP through out his career. Due to Matt Serra some always believed it was just to catch him with a bomb and knock him out but really that is the path to beat any fighter arguably outside a tiny handful of guys like Mark Hunt in his prime but then again Manhoef happened so you can't even say that.

So with GSP enormously tough to 'catch' due to his style, the best way to beat him was always seen as someone who could block his TD's and force him to fight on the feet and then not get out point fought.

Because even if you could block GSP's td's he was a very good striker who would rake up volume (jab, etc) and win a decision.

Bisping should have been the template fighter to beat GSP in that style. The actual template being Prime Machida but I think Bisping was second to Machida in the MW division for a long period in TDD. Bisping was super tough to TD and harder to keep down. If Bisping could stuff GSP's TD or get right back up he then should have been a threat to outpoint GSP to a decision. He had one of the work rates (if not the best) at MW and he had some of the best boxing and diverse striking at MW. Again the template to beat GSP.


And look, I am not suggesting that GSP and his camp were not thrilled to take that risk and almost certainly saw him as an ideal fight at MW but I am saying Bisping was not the joke with no path to victory many now pretend he was. Bisping was salivating to fight GSP too, not just for the money but because he and his team thought he matched up well against GSP.
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11-19-2021 , 10:18 AM
Oh and GSP fighting Woodley at that point made very little sense.

GSP is already the WW GOAT and when it came to legacy and the overall GOAT claim, which GSP was in with a handful of other fighters' his WW reign was the sole measure on his resume. Him beating Woodley just lengths his reign as WW GOAT, but he was already GOAT. Not saying it has no value but just saying once in the rear view mirror most would say 'd'uh the WW GOAT is the best WW', as if he was expected to win.

One the elements often cited in overall GOAT talks against GSP was that he never fought outside WW. Like it or not that was almost always brought up and it was used as a massive point when Anderson Silva was in the overall GOAT talks to boost his resume. So if Anderson got a massive boost (and he did) for beating Forrest, who was a FORMER lhw champ, just violently KO'd one fight earlier, and was the lesser Bisping of the LHW division and a perfect hand picked matchup for Anderson then GSP and his team knew that GSP would rightly (or should) get the same type of massive boost in his legacy GOAT resume by beating Bisping who in every way was a better win for GSP than Forrest was for Anderson.

So no one should be surprised that a retired fighter looking to cherry pick legacy fights would choose Bisping and the MW belt over Woodley and another tick on the WW resume. That is also why GSP was always negotiating for a one off fight against the LW Champ. Cutting that much weight is dangerous but the chance of being the first 3 division champ in the UFC was too high to not risk it.

I would say the single biggest reason for GSP to fight Woodley would be to play spoiler. It looked like Woodley had a chance getting into the WW GOAT talks with a few more defenses and if GSP came back and beat him that would have ended it. Even if GSP beat him and retired after and Woodley went on an epic run at WW that thoroughly outpaced GSP WW resume, after it would be very hard for any one to call him WW GOAT if GSP popped into the division and beat him in his prime run as everyone would say if GSP was still fighting he would have had all those wins too.
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11-26-2021 , 10:11 PM
Thoughts on pulev v mir?

Pulev looks like he’s given up. 15 pounds over his last fight and not in a good way. He looks so much older than in the last fight.

Clearly the favorite but no idea how to evaluate the odds here.
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11-27-2021 , 04:58 AM
No idea either. Don't know much about it other than seeing Bisping laughing at the 'triad' concept (i.e. triangular ring).

Saw it's being put on by Triller, and features Metallica, so may just stream it out of spite...
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11-28-2021 , 05:09 AM
Saw the main event on Youtube. It's not long... crap refereeing and Triller keeping up it's run of, frankly, sad fights to watch.
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12-11-2021 , 05:03 AM
Well, I'm done betting against Poirier even though I find myself wanting to again. He's off my action list.
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12-11-2021 , 03:08 PM
Boggles my mind that Clay Guida is still fighting.
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12-11-2021 , 11:31 PM
anyone know specifically why garbrandt is going down to 125? I know he was waning fast at 135 but that is a big cut for another 10 pounds and for what? flyweight is a ghost town, unless you are the champ there is no $ or big fights there.

am I crazy to think Pena can grind and make it competitive? probably

think Poirier wins as well

edit: well, his career is basically over now so doesn't matter much i guess

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12-12-2021 , 01:03 AM
Wow Nunes lost

The Venezuelan Vixen

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12-12-2021 , 01:44 AM
I’m Stun about this card …..
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12-12-2021 , 01:53 AM
Nunes losing to Pena still makes no sense whatsoever, Amanda is better everywhere, not sure wtf happened. The only thing i can think is that she came in slimmer than ever and wasn't the same due to changing her diet.
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