Phrasing

Can any of those guys pitch?

I'm sure Bro could get to Jack Morris levels with a little effort.

He was a sick pitcher in high school. Weird to think his primary position was catcher.

Jack Morris does have a minor point about stats used against him; he didn't give a **** about them while playing regular games so he probably is a bit better than those stats indicate, ofc he's still not a hall of famer by the standards though. Being total ass in toronto well, everybody but 2p2 and baseball nerds forgot that because the Jays still won.

anyway yanks trade headley back to the pads.

another year, another marlins "blow up the team!"

Weird the Marlins didn't win the WS before the blow up like is their custom

Headley and Bryan Mitchell to the Padres, Pads take on Headleys remaining 13M.

This trade is fine for the Padres right? I'm getting texts from idiot Mets fans "Of course Cashman gets some sucker team to take on Headleys contract!"

Headley is a probable 2 WAR player next year, with some upside for more I assume in a change of scenery, place where hes succeeded before. Bryan Mitchell has a chance to be a league average SP in petco park making no money.

What am I missing here?

The problem I have with Morris is that he has arguably only 1 HOF season and that was 86. Being very good, or good for a long time shouldn't = HOF. You should have to have a few unbelievable seasons at least.

First things first..YES GTFO HEADLEY.

I dont know what the Padres are looking for regarding where they want to be with their salary but if they can afford to take Headley for the year than not a big deal. Mitchell i just dont think he's very good but maybe NL and Petco can make him look "average".

Yanks obv salary dumping which is fine. Also looks like they are making a run at Fulmer or Patrick Corbin....interesting.

What does this even mean? "I don't give a **** about letting in a run here, I'm JACK ****ING MORRIS" cool story HoF pitcher bro


I think the 15 straight Opening Day starts does have a lot of relevance and is pretty damn impressive, but yeah, someone like Doc should still go in over him

I just don't know what the Padres are doing. Are they rebuilding? Surely they don't expect to contend next year, right? If not, taking on salary for a player that improves the team seems pointless, if not counterproductive, but I guess more power to them if they want to muddle around in mediocrity for a few more decades. It is annoying that this clearly helps the Yanks free up money to compete for other free agents.

It means that if they had a huge lead, he wasn't going to put any stress on the elbow throwing over the top curves. I'd love to watch some old games to watch him go from pitching to throwing 80mph fastballs over the heart of the plate because I doubt that actually happened.

Every SP changes their effort based on situation though.

Did Morris even outperform his team's Win %? Weren't they always really good teams and he was barely above .500. That one game where all of those fielders fielded all of those balls though, holy cow what a pitcher

Maybe the Pads are high on Mitchell. He put up really strong numbers at AAA as a full time starter last year, and Petco can make anyone look good. Also, Headley is basically worth his 13M salary this year based on $/war value. He is an asset, maybe neglible, but an asset nonetheless.

Maybe he puts up a big first half and the Pads can flip him for a medium prospect, who knows?

But a team with a 20M payroll taking on a player worth his salary and an uknown potential upside pitcher can't be bad.

Re: Morris, you guys are viewing the Hall through a prism of it being reserved for the best-performing players of all-time by career, and the voters clearly aren't. Playing devil's advocate, if I were looking to build a Hall of the 300 most-notable players of all-time, I could see including a guy who pitched "that" game, started 14 opening days, won more games than anyone else in the 80's, made five all-star games, won four championships and was repeatedly called "the best pitcher of the 80's" and was the top starter on the best team of that decade. I don't believe in it personally, but if you actually want those guys to care, you need to argue on their level instead of just repeatedly quoting WAR.

Also, Headley slashed .300/.366/.455 in the 2H last year after having an all time bad first half.

He's not bad at baseball.

Uhh what does this even mean? Like if he knew not giving up runs mattered he would have pitched better? Pretty much every pitcher ever adjusts their effort/pitch selection based on situation. This just sounds like straight up bull**** gibberish to me.

Yep, Morris has been touting that line of thought forever, but it's bogus imo. It's not like he gave up 200 runs he wouldn't have otherwise because he occasionally grooved a pitch to a buddy when he was up by eight.

In one sentence, my biggest complaint about Morris being in the Hall should be that he now has the highest ERA of ANY Hall of Famer

Seems like that could be an immediate disqualifier for me.

Yeah, I mean this isn't a bunch of stat nerds arguing about sabermetrics vs traditional stats or just sorting by WAR. ERA was a thing in the 80s. And maybe I just missed it, but I personally don't remember hearing anyone single him out as the best pitcher of the 80s at the time. Maybe after '91 when the narratives started being crafted, but there were plenty of his peers (at least in the late 80s when I started paying attention) who were widely considered better at the time. His place on the 80s leaderboards speaks mostly to the fact that he was in his prime during the entirety of the decade, while a lot of his contemporaries retired or didn't start until midway through it.

Ok, this stretch by Morris in 86 was pretty absurd.

I guess he wasn't pitching to the score. Each of those 7 wins the tigers won by at least 5 runs.

In fact, the only 2 games where he didnt get at least 5 runs of support were the only 2 games where he gave up runs and lost.

Wade Boggs has a lower ERA!

Finally found someone with a higher ERA, Ted Williams:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...illite01.shtml

No way Morris should get in. On that list Murphy and Garvey are the most deserving. Also for a pitcher that pitched in the same era Stieb is the one that is under rated and should be in.

Arrieta is asking for $200m+, lol.


Boras's reasoning


'While Boras declined to address specifics on Arrieta's value, he made it clear during an interview Monday that his main historical comparison for Arrieta is Verlander, who signed a seven-year, $180 million contract extension with the Detroit Tigers in the spring of 2013.

After Verlander won the Cy Young Award and American League MVP in 2011, his ERA rose from 2.40 to 2.64 to 3.46 and his WHIP increased from 0.92 to 1.06 to 1.31. Arrieta's ERA, WHIP and other peripherals have similarly risen over the past three seasons."

Also, the postseason workload hangover.
Arrieta is not Verlander.