Because in one case something already happened, thus a hitter (and people analyzing) knows the exact situation, whereas otoh what happens next hasn't happened yet. There are infinite outcomes and the hitter can't control any of them. He has some control how he hits in circumstances though, because he is aware of them when he is hitting in them. It just doesn't seem remotely apples to apples to me unless you absolutely believe professional baseball to be a sim with robotic players where every situation in every context is exactly the same. Which I don't.

Pitchers opt to approach situations differently to spots in lineup. Brandon Phillips and Poohole don't see the same stuff sandwiched around Trout.

Roger Clemens signed in Toronto before the 1997 season, and had two completely ridiculous seasons, putting up 20 WAR over about 500 innings, striking out 563 of 2005 total batters over those two years, and winning two Cy Youngs. He asked to be traded before the 99 season.

The Jays sent him to the Yankees, for David Wells, Homer Bush and Graeme Lloyd. Clemens stuck around for 4 years, before retirement #1 of 4 or 5.

Bush had a great first season in Toronto, but couldn't seem to stay healthy or good and was released after 2002, giving the Jays 3 WAR over 4 seasons.

Graeme Lloyd pitched one year in Toronto before leaving as a free agent. As compensation for Lloyd leaving, the Jays got Dustin McGowan and Peter Bauer in the 2000 draft. McGowan is still pitching, and showed a ton of potential before injuries sidetracked his career. He got hurt in his age 26 season, and threw 21 big league innings between then and his age 31 season. He eventually left in free agency. Bauer never reached the bigs, and got plucked in a rule 5 draft.

Wells gave two nice seasons and 7.8WAR over 461 innings, before getting traded to the White Sox for Mike Sirotka, Mike Williams, Kevin Beirne, and Brian Simmons in the "Shouldergate" trade: The Jays released Sirotka without ever getting a pitch from him.

I'm a 30-year old, die-hard Blue Jays fan, and have been since I could walk. I have literally 0 recollection of Brian Simmons, but he allegedly played 60 games for the Jays in 97, then got non-tendered. Kevin Beirne threw 7 innings before leaving as a free agent. Mike WIlliams doesn't appear to have ever made it past A-ball. All told, the Jays managed to turn 2 seasons of (arguably) peak Clemens in to about 11 WAR, mostly from David Wells, and then turned him in to absolutely nothing, spread over several players and years.

I like Dipoto, but he got ****ed inheriting some huge contracts for washed up players. The Mariners would be foolish not to give him at least maybe 4 more years.

Wow.

plz don't respond if you already saw the answer

Steve Finley?

Bagwell? Vlad?



Edit:Bagwell 449 HRs, 202SBs, .297 BA, .408 OBP

So he is only 3 BA points short of your qualifications.

Bagwell counts and is likely better than the person you are looking for.imo

Bonds hit .298 and obviously cleared the other hurdles, this is such a stupid factoid, but I looked it up and think he should be in the Hall.

Looking at that right away the .400 OBP is the hardest part of the equation, followed by the 200 steals needed.

Barry Bonds hit .298 otherwise he crushes this. He's the closest player to making this "list" who isn't on it.

Chipper Jones only stole 150 bases.

Vlad Guerrero didn't have the .400 OBP. Neither did Arod who also only hit .295.




So I pulled up the list of players with career .400 OBP. When I saw the name I knew right away. This player is not in the HOF and didn't play the position you would expect a player with 200 steals to have played. Edit: Oops that guy (Bagwell) didn't hit .300

Ummm, actually I found a 2nd player who makes the list....also not in the HOF. I imagine it's this guy with the .313 AVG, .400 OBP, 383 HR's, and 230 SB's that somehow got missed?

So then it's just Larry Walker

He also won 7 gold gloves, 3 batting titles, a home run crown, and an MVP. Incredibly talented player.

Even as an injured 38 year old in St Louis he put up a 130 OPS+ for his final year. Incredibly talented hitter.

yeah

Walker is the answer on the tweet. Put him in the hall imo. Every team deserves multiple HOFers so the dopes that travel Cooperstown can say I grew up cheering for that guy. Do the Rockies have other HOFer's?

I think I misled him, there are dozens of players within a couple of points of qualifying for those marks.

What a stupid ****ing institution the HOF is.

5 current teams have no one in the Hall.

Angels, Marlins, Rays, Rocks, and Nats

Other than the Angels, why would they? The are all fairly new teams. You gotta play basically 15 years and then wait 5 years after your retirement. That brings you back to 1997.

Expos players should kinda count for the Nats franchise


but how do the Angels not have anyone? might as well put Trout in already

I thought Jeff Bagwell was in the HOF

He is, but he only batted .297

449 HRs, 202SBs, .297 BA, .408 OBP

There's a good gif of this tit grab, but I'm lazy.

I accidentally thought Bagwell was the answer because I confirmed he had the SB's and the OBP and just assumed he was a lock for the HR's and Avg. I was wrong though as his average didn't quite make the cut.

And I also didn't know he was in the hall of fame yet, if he is. I sotpped paying attention to the HOF as the elections are so ridiculous now.

Injuries hurt Walker's career significant;y. He was in the league for 17 years but only managed to play 140 games or more in a season 4 times. His MVP year was the only year he cleared 150 games. If he had averaged 140+ games a season instead of the 115 or so that he averaged, he'd be considered an all time great.

Rays have Wade Boggs.

But yea, the Angels had Reggie Jackson and Nolan Ryan.

Even the Marlins had Mike Piazza for like a week lol.

You are clueless if you associate those players with those teams.

Reggie is Mr. October for the Yanks
Ryan is Mr. beat the **** out of Ventura for the Rangers
Piazza is Mr crazy phenom from nowhere for the Doyers
Boggs is Mr mustache for the Red sox

Hmmmm, the HR # would be higher if it was Arod

Obviously Trout doesn't have that many HRs or SB yet.

Is it Hanley Ramirez?

Lol come on Hanley Ramirez having a .400 OBP?