I think you're pretty much dead on with a few small tweaks. I can't imagine Lawrie or Garcia have much trade value, if any (projected for .4 and .2 WAR on FG). Garcia especially looks like a AAAA type at this point. Rodon seems like a guy to keep around for the rebuild, Anderson too seeing as how I don't think he's much of a commodity. Saladino can't have much value.


Considering the current feeding frenzy on top closers Robertson and/or Nate Jones should fetch a nice price from the losers in the Chap/Jansen/Melancon sweepstakes.


I want to see Abreu @Coors. He's been 4 different players in his 4 half seasons of MLB, so I'm not really sure what he is, but if he's some combo of the 3 good halfs I'd love to see what he could do there.

I would think Quintana gets a return similar to Sales. Maybe a step below..so Robles + Giolito + more? Albies + 2-3 top 100 guys? All the packages we were hearing about before Dombroski went yolo

w/o knowing anything about his contract status, and that's obviously a huge factor/ No way Quintana commands a haul like that. Like I'd bet Wash would turn down Q for G straight up. I know what his numbers look like it's just that guys with his arm don't get that much respect in the market. He can fetch a lot, but he wont be considered a front line ace. I'd still trade him though, ASAP. What good is that WAR gonna do CWS?

Yeah, definitely don't see why guys like Lawrie or Garcia can't finally show up though. Maybe not much value now, but now they should get some good playing time once the firesale is mostly over. Lawrie's only 27 and has shown the ability to not suck in the past. Steamer doesn't like him at all, but he's got some upside there if he can finally put it together and not get hurt.

As for Quintana... I think Sale has that name value where Quintana's a bit more UTR. Now that I've looked it up, I'd argue that the Q contract is better. Sale has averaged a half fWAR more/yr over the last 3 years, but has 1 fewer year of control for $2MM more total and they're the same age.

Agree on Lawrie, he still has star upside. It's becoming more and more unlikely, but he's a second baseman with a little pop at worst. Garcia I don't know about. I think the consensus going into 16 is that it was his make or break year, he tanked.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-w...uintana-10660/

Basically, he's cheap as **** thru 2020 and is entering his age 28 season. And he's also been really good the past 3 years like easy said.

Washington would fall over themselves trying to trade Giolito for Quintana straight up imo

Also, holy **** Brett Lawrie is only 27? Seems like that guy's been around forever

Royals apparently nearing a trade of Wade Davis to CHC. Are they going to firesale too?!?! Nobody gonna try and tackle the Indians in the central?

Yeah Lawrie was like 21 when he came up for his initial cup of coffee. He's actually only 26y10m

I assume Soler would probably be the main guy going to KC for Davis.

I don't think Royals are going firesale, they need a bat, and Davis is only locked up for 2017. I think they figure they might as well get something for him now. Cubs rumored to be looking to trade Soler for him.

Buster Onley reporting Cubs "are close to aquiring Wade Davis".

NDFan, check your facebook.

Remember when Lawrie was traded for Donaldson straight up?

LOL William Beane

i don't think they will do a firesale but getting rid of davis/cain or davis/dyson seems sure at this point then prob firesale in midseason unless we are really contending. be interesting to see what dyson gets. he probably needs to be platooned but still really good war numbers. wouldn't surprise me if the cardinals rumors are true, matt adams makes some sense since they need a bat

No. I remember when he was one of the four players traded for Donaldson, along with two back-end MLB ready starters and a toolsy shortstop prospect though.

This was only two years ago! Still stunning! Too high to remember what the White Sox sent for Lawrie, but that's what the A's ended up getting for Donaldson, and that's even funnier.

I was listening to High Heat earlier and they were talking about the Royals. Didn't hear who, but they said you'd be surprised at how old he is. And I immediately thought, Oh Dyson is probably like 32 even though he seems perpetually mid 20s.

cain is 30 too

do i have this right? soler for 1 year of davis the year after multiple DL stints for elbow issues? what the ****?

Stop trading useful things for ****ing rental closers theo. Especially ones coming off injury seasons.

How is Soler useful exactly?

Soler hasn't exactly proven he can stay healthy himself, or that he's anything all that special when he does (career .258/.328/.434 with atrocious defense), and he has no position to play on the Cubs. I'd love it if they could get more for him, but if the market's not there, it's not there. He has almost no value just riding the bench for another season and the bullpen is the one area they actually need help. Defining Davis simply by his injury this season without mentioning his 1.18 ERA over the past 3 is a pretty one-sided view too. That injury risk is the only reason KC is even entertaining what would otherwise be a pretty lopsided deal in favor of the Cubs (assuming a straight-up swap involving no other players).

soler may very well turn out to be a complete dud but he's still a 24 year old with great power, 200 games of mlb experience and 4 more years of team control. and theo (if this trade happens) flipped that for a rental closer with elbow problems. he didn't even get the best royals reliever out of this

If there's one thing the Cubs need to bolster it's the pen. It's a seller's market, too, unfortunately. The way they're currently built (deep and young and to win now), it's not egregious to trade value for need. Probably selling low on Soler, but it's not like they can't "lose" the trade and still not meaningfully move the equity needle. If it's this or giving 6 years to their current overrated closer, I'm picking this one every time. This is Soler being useful.

i don't understand where this narrative that the cubs have a weak bullpen is coming from. save for 3 of his last 4 outings in the regular season rondon was dominant, edwards and strop are perfectly fine 7-8 guys