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Old 12-06-2018, 03:40 AM   #151
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Charlie Morton turned into an ace so I canít say Luke Weaver canít

Still, Luke Weaver is very much not an ace
Doesn't Weaver have a big problem throwing strikes?
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:10 AM   #152
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Doesn't Weaver have a big problem throwing strikes?
He had a not horrible 3.5bb/9 last down from like 2.2 his rookie year. Problem with a guy like weaver is he's sitting 88-92 (albeit with good movement) and his only other plus pitch is the change up. He threw one of those 2 pitches ~85% of the time last year. Hard to get away with that lacking an overpowering FB at the MLB level. He definitely has potential, but he was probably #7-8 in terms of cardinals SP depth this season. Cmart, Mikolas, Flaherty, Wacha, Reyes, Hudson, Wainwright, Gant, Gomber, Poncedeleon etc.

I don't doubt he turns into a very good reliever or middling starter at worst, with potential upside if he ever develops a 3rd pitch. Still very happy with this trade as a cards fan
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:17 AM   #153
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He had a not horrible 3.5bb/9 last down from like 2.2 his rookie year. Problem with a guy like weaver is he's sitting 88-92 (albeit with good movement) and his only other plus pitch is the change up. He threw one of those 2 pitches ~85% of the time last year. Hard to get away with that lacking an overpowering FB at the MLB level. He definitely has potential, but he was probably #7-8 in terms of cardinals SP depth this season. Cmart, Mikolas, Flaherty, Wacha, Reyes, Hudson, Wainwright, Gant, Gomber, Poncedeleon etc.

I don't doubt he turns into a very good reliever or middling starter at worst, with potential upside if he ever develops a 3rd pitch. Still very happy with this trade as a cards fan
His Zone% went down from 47% to 43%. O'Swing% went up, but still just 28.4%. Everything else was the same--contact rates, first pitch strike, overall swing rate.
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:27 AM   #154
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His Zone% went down from 47% to 43%. O'Swing% went up, but still just 28.4%. Everything else was the same--contact rates, first pitch strike, overall swing rate.
I wasn't arguing in favor of weaver, just saying he has potential to improve. I can see why both sides would be happy with this trade.

I see a lot of shelby Miller in weaver though. Surprised the dbacks couldn't get more even if it was for one year of goldy. Young is the wild card, but I would be very surprised if Carson Kelly contributes above average offense at any point in his career based on his minor league numbers
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Old 12-06-2018, 10:21 AM   #155
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The Dbacks need to see improvement over Alex Avila, Jeff Mathis, and John Ryan Murphy who had OPS+ of 59, 44, and 59 respectively last season.
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Old 12-06-2018, 10:57 AM   #156
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How the hell did half a season of Jonathan Schoup go for a similar price than a full season of Paul Goldschmit.

It seems like the best possible thing you can do for your team in the offseason is engage in trade talks with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
It didnít?

And Schoop had an extra year of team control one year removed from an age 25 4 win year.

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As for the cost, Villar was in the middle of his second straight below-average season after his strong 2016 campaign. Heís in his first year of arbitration, so if things work out in Baltimore, the Orioles will have a cheap Schoop replacement for the next two years.

Ortiz entered the season as the Brewersí fourth-ranked prospect, but his stock has dropped a little in his third season of Double-A. The 22-year-old righty missed a month with a hamstring injury ó the second straight season in which heís had hamstring issues ó and has been good-not-great in his return from the disabled list. Carmona is an 18-year-old shortstop with some promise, ranking 15th on the Brewers list before the season. The pair of prospects rank eighth and 15th, respectively, on the Oriolesí current prospect list, with six of the top 15 players having been obtained in trades over the past few weeks and two more from this yearís draft. Schoop wasnít going to be a big part of the Oriolesí future, and dealing him in the offseason wasnít likely to get much return, so the Orioles did fine taking what they could get now while heís hitting well.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:20 PM   #157
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Did everyone here laugh at Theo Epstein for trading Candelario & Paredes for AviLOLa & WiLOLson?

That has to be one of the worst trades this decade. Avila and Wilson were/are complete trash.

Meanwhile Padedes destroyed the FSL in a way we haven't seen since Stanton. A 19 year old doing what he's doing...kid should be a top 10 prospect in the game right now. But wait, there's more? Just a 25 year old 3B putting up a 2.5 WAR season, will likely nestle into that 3-4 WAR range for his prime.

Theo, dawg....you got fleeced homie.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:41 PM   #158
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That's a really weird trade to randomly bring up a year and a half later. Standard deadline swap of middling prospects for areas of need in a playoff race.

And what exactly has Paredes done? I'm seeing a .793 OPS in the FSL (single-A) this year, which seems... ok?
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:32 PM   #159
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:08 PM   #160
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Is it safe to assume that every post in the offseason thread is sarcastic?
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:18 PM   #161
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Why is the Eovaldi signing good? He's 29, had 2 TJ surgeries, and pretty much never been even good aside from 54 innings last year for Boston. What am I missing?
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:38 PM   #162
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Sure man.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:46 PM   #163
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Why is the Eovaldi signing good? He's 29, had 2 TJ surgeries, and pretty much never been even good aside from 54 innings last year for Boston. What am I missing?
Much cheaper than Corbin and quite a bargain if he comes anywhere close to pitching like he did last year, especially on the biggest stage where the Red Sox basically had a 1 man rotation of a David Price in the post season .

The Red Sox needed a starter and got one .
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:15 PM   #164
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dunno if I get the dbacks hate. People who do baseball math seem to think the dbacks got more value than they gave away.

A little sad to see my boy weaver leave
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:51 PM   #165
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That's a really weird trade to randomly bring up a year and a half later. Standard deadline swap of middling prospects for areas of need in a playoff race.

And what exactly has Paredes done? I'm seeing a .793 OPS in the FSL (single-A) this year, which seems... ok?
Do you know how hard it is to hit for power in the FSL? He put up HR numbers not seen in the FSL by a teenager since Stanton. Then played 39 games at AA where he OPS'd .864, while playing SS.

Not being insanely impressed by that is simply hating.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:05 AM   #166
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Do you know how hard it is to hit for power in the FSL? He put up HR numbers not seen in the FSL by a teenager since Stanton. Then played 39 games at AA where he OPS'd .864, while playing SS.

Not being insanely impressed by that is simply hating.
LOL, I can't tell if you're serious or just trolling now. He was tied for 11th in that league in HRs this year. Good for him, he'll probably move up a couple spots from his current ranking as the 13th best prospect in the Tigers' system. In fact, I bet he cracks the top 10. Maybe he'll even be a major leaguer someday.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:36 AM   #167
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LOL, I can't tell if you're serious or just trolling now. .
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:46 PM   #168
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Luis Valbuena and Jose Castillo dead, maybe murdered.


lol fox news, but it's intriguing to me.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/luis-...ct-reports-say

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The car crash that claimed the lives of two former Major League Baseball players on Thursday in Venezuela may have been a criminal act, and officials are reportedly looking into whether a gang of thieves engineered the wreck in order to rob the pair.

Luis Valbuena and Jose Castillo, who were teammates in a Venezuelan winter baseball league, were traveling in a white Toyota Fortuner with teammate Carlos Rivero when the vehicle suddenly slammed into a large rock in the middle of the road.

The rock is thought to have been purposely placed in the spot in hopes it would lead to an accident and allow those who orchestrated the trap to rob the vehicle's occupants, Mexican newspaper El Universal reported, citing a preliminary report from authorities.

The act is a common tactic for robbers in Venezuela, El Cooperante, a news outlet based in Caracas, reported.

The vehicle the ex-MLB players were traveling in was destroyed in the wreck -- and before authorities arrived, the Toyota had been looted and the players robbed, according to the Venezuelan regional newspaper El Impulso.
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Old 12-07-2018, 05:29 PM   #169
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Just now finding the thread. Ugh.



RIP Valbuena
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:45 PM   #171
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I wasn't arguing in favor of weaver, just saying he has potential to improve. I can see why both sides would be happy with this trade.

I see a lot of shelby Miller in weaver though. Surprised the dbacks couldn't get more even if it was for one year of goldy. Young is the wild card, but I would be very surprised if Carson Kelly contributes above average offense at any point in his career based on his minor league numbers


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The Dbacks need to see improvement over Alex Avila, Jeff Mathis, and John Ryan Murphy who had OPS+ of 59, 44, and 59 respectively last season.
Didn't Mathis just get money again? BP metrics love him.

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Why is the Eovaldi signing good? He's 29, had 2 TJ surgeries, and pretty much never been even good aside from 54 innings last year for Boston. What am I missing?
I think they think he's a 5-WAR pitcher under normal circumstances. If they get half of that because of injuries, 10 wins is about value for 67 (?) million. One or two years of 160 IP is a bonus.
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:45 PM   #172
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That walk bat flip is awesome.
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Old 12-08-2018, 08:10 AM   #174
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LOL, I can't tell if you're serious or just trolling now. He was tied for 11th in that league in HRs this year. Good for him, he'll probably move up a couple spots from his current ranking as the 13th best prospect in the Tigers' system. In fact, I bet he cracks the top 10. Maybe he'll even be a major leaguer someday.
Are you legitimately sighting MLB Pipeline for your prospect info? loooooooool.

Isaac Paredes is in the 40s on fangraphs THE BOARD, and Baseball America has him at #3 in the Tigers system behind two thoroughbreds in Mannings & Mize.
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:39 PM   #175
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Welcome to the Hall of Fame, Lee Smith and Harold Baines.

Not getting in this year, again, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds.
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