In 1982 a kicker won the NFL MVP.

They were all dumb back then.

Remember back then there was a game or two a week on TV and they got all their info from the boxscores in the newspapers. Most people probably didn't have ESPN yet either.

They never handed out physical trophies that year. Lol

Yes he was. Sparky Anderson didn’t use his bullpen the way a more recent manager would. Roles were less defined.

Hernandez had a terrific season but his win was definitely a function of the team’s great year.

I didn't look up the #s but 1965 Dodgers must be the worst hitting team to win a WS post WW2. Drysdale would frequently pinch hit that year, but I don't recall him ever playing any defensive position other than P. Certainly not Otani scale but noteworthy nonetheless.

If teams are smart players opting out are good for them

If the player sucks you are stuck with him anyway so the opt out doesnt matter


If he's good and opts out he's doing you a favor
He's gonna opt out and often suck bc he's old and you got his good years at a good price without getting stuck with the bad years

If the yankees let cc and Arod walk when they opted out it would have been great for them



On Don Newcombe-
After he retired from MLB he played for one year in Japan as a first basemen/outfielder
In 279 abs he hit 12 homers with a .789 ops

If someone is going to opt out that implies the current contract has value and could be traded if wanted. The opt out is only a benefit for the player. AFAIK we have not yet seen a player opt out because he was unhappy and wanted to go somewhere new.

The ARod example disproves your claim. While the Yankees would have been better off letter ARod walk when he opted out, the best outcome for them would have been for him not to opt out. Pretty sure getting a 32 year-old ARod for 3 years at $27 million a year would have been a great deal for the Yankees. Even with his decline, he averaged 5 WAR per season for the three seasons he opted out of.

Basically, not opting out >>> opt-out and letting him walk >>>>>>>> opt-out and resigning him.

Another example of players opting out not being good for the team is JD Drew. Pretty sure LA would have been happy to keep him for the $33 million for 3 years that he opted out of. Pretty sure that $11 million a year for a 3 WAR player is a great deal.

The idea that it's good for a team when a player opts out from their contract BecauseHeIsWorthMoreThanThat is beyond ridiculous why would anyone waste their time even reading an argument for it

I can see the point, even if it's a bit skewed. On a 10 year contract, the front end should be surplus value, the middle should be approximately a wash when compared to the money and the back half should be decline phase where you're paying more for wins as a result of getting discounted wins early on.

Assuming an even distribution of salary across the contract, Manny opting out of 5/$150MM wouldn't be the end of the world for the Padres as it would mean they got good production in the first five years, and now at worst gives them option for re-allocation for the money that they almost surely would be paying during a decline.

Years 6-10 projects 10.4 WAR by ZiPS. If you ask the Padres if they'd be satisfied with 5 years and 24.1WAR or more for $150MM and then have Machado opt out and sign elsewhere, that's gotta be a resounding yes, right? Right, because they'd have gotten ~$200MM worth of value and only paid for ~$150MM. But I highly doubt he opts out at that aging curve unless the deal is front-loaded or the market rate on 1 win goes way up.

We all know that he's not opting out if he wouldn't otherwise get 5/150 or more on the open market, so it's kind of a silly point anyhow. The opt-out is yet to favor a team in any way, afaik, and that's the design of it. Of course you don't want him to opt out if he's good, and of course you want him to opt out if he's bad, but there's no scenario where the player is going to do what you (that is, as a front office) want him to do with an opt-out.

https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/stat...28417641664514

He's projected to be a negative defensively?

dwar is currently an awful stat.

Great post . Props for remembering the 72 million dollar minor league outfielder. I was going to post RS. STILL BLOWS MY MIND

The dude will be sleeping on a pillow filled w hundreds for the next 10 years . I’ll take under 5.8 war this year for Nachado up to 2k will escrow.

What do you think the front office will be sleeping on for the rest of their lives?

Worst
Sandoval
Davis
Howard
Rusney Castillo
Career: 7 HR, .262 BA, 35 RBI, OF, RedSox 2014-2016, b:R/t:R, born in Cuba 1987.
2019 Contract Status: Signed thru 2020, 7 yrs/$72.5M (14-20)
Position: Outfielder
Team: Boston Red Sox (majors, non-roster invite)

I don’t fault y’all for not knowing the Ruse

I havent thought about him in awhile. Is he in camp competing for a 4th outfield spot or is he just a pariah?

He's in the minors because if he was on the MLB roster he'd count against the luxury tax

So if he were salaried like a typical 3rd year player he would be a viable ballplayer? Obv Im not suggesting he's better than their current outfield starters (holy ****, how on Earth are they not the Killer B's?!).

Is this the guy who got signed because of a YouTube video?


Also, I remember reading something about how because of the Roster Depreciation Allowance, teams aren’t actually in a bad spot because of bad contracts.

Then Yasmany Tomas is in the conversation as well.

That kind of caught me off guard too, but this was the only projection system that I saw that covered 10 years and was in the neat, tidy spreadsheet layout. Not sure if that accounts for him playing some SS or not.

I've said before (re: the NBA) that player options only help the player, never the team - unless the player misgauges their market.

But one thing unmentioned about opt outs that benefits the team: It works as an incentivizer.

yeah, thought that would be obvious. its just another piece of the negotiation. without the opt-out he would have wanted more per year

They gave him a couple shots, failed miserably. I see the Mariners eventually trading for him.