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Brewers 4
2 5.71%
Brewers 5
3 8.57%
Brewers 6
8 22.86%
Brewers 7
4 11.43%
Dodgers 7
3 8.57%
Dodgers 6
8 22.86%
Dodgers 5
4 11.43%
Dodgers 4
3 8.57%

10-13-2018 , 12:14 AM
Yelich 0 fer 4(3Ks and a gidp)

Turner 0 fer 5 (4Ks and a ground out)

wouldn't have suspected that
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10-13-2018 , 12:15 AM
AROD’s cheeks got that nice polished finish look
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10-13-2018 , 12:16 AM
lol Ortiz "And then you Ha"
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10-13-2018 , 12:17 AM
Ortiz literally can’t find the words to describe the Brewers’ bullpen usage.
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10-13-2018 , 12:22 AM
The Beard. The Beard! The awesome BEARD!!!!!
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10-13-2018 , 12:29 AM
I’ve never understood why people **** on the possibility that there are choke artists in sports. I would assume random variance more often that not but you see clear obvious examples of players getting tight in sports like tennis I don’t see why it’s so crazy to believe in a sport like baseball where it’s just a pitcher v a batter and almost nothing else that matters . The pressure is absurd. I think it doesn’t really apply in like any non qb football position but in baseball, shooting baskets, tennis, golf, combat sports I absolutely believe it.
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10-13-2018 , 12:34 AM
There are choke artists in all sorts of situations

GG last night on Shahs of Sunset, trying to pitch her 'Business,' was as painful as it gets.
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10-13-2018 , 02:34 AM
I'm just proud that I was present at the other burger game back in 1987.
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10-13-2018 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers
I’ve never understood why people **** on the possibility that there are choke artists in sports. I would assume random variance more often that not but you see clear obvious examples of players getting tight in sports like tennis I don’t see why it’s so crazy to believe in a sport like baseball where it’s just a pitcher v a batter and almost nothing else that matters . The pressure is absurd. I think it doesn’t really apply in like any non qb football position but in baseball, shooting baskets, tennis, golf, combat sports I absolutely believe it.
I thought it was pretty much accepted that although "clutch" doesn't really exist, not performing as one normally does when under pressure (choking) is a reality for some athletes.

When I think of Tiger Woods in his prime, it wasn't so much that he was "clutch" in important situations, he just didn't seem to have a drop off, and thus looked clutch compared to some others who did not perform as well under pressure.

Of course in baseball it is really tough to prove "choking," as there is so much variance, you get such small sample sizes in the playoffs compared to the regular season, and hitters are facing better pitchers (and vice-versa).

I also think that there are some sports in which choking should be less common. I would think that sports where trying harder doesn't help (baseball, golf, basketball (shooting), etc) it would be more common to find choking. In physical/contact sports such as football, rugby, etc. I would not expect to see much drop off because you are probably running on adrenaline and instincts much of the time.. Might be different for QBs, kickers and deep cover defenders, but for other positions you would not think of a person just starting to play bad because of the pressure of the playoffs.
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10-13-2018 , 03:30 AM
I think I could hit BP in a full stadium, but also think in a thousand simulations of me shooting free throws in a full arena for one million dollars, Id bet my FT% is cut in half at least.

I would expect very few people to shoot the same % as they do at the gym.
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10-13-2018 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
I thought it was pretty much accepted that although "clutch" doesn't really exist, not performing as one normally does when under pressure (choking) is a reality for some athletes.

When I think of Tiger Woods in his prime, it wasn't so much that he was "clutch" in important situations, he just didn't seem to have a drop off, and thus looked clutch compared to some others who did not perform as well under pressure.

Of course in baseball it is really tough to prove "choking," as there is so much variance, you get such small sample sizes in the playoffs compared to the regular season, and hitters are facing better pitchers (and vice-versa).

I also think that there are some sports in which choking should be less common. I would think that sports where trying harder doesn't help (baseball, golf, basketball (shooting), etc) it would be more common to find choking. In physical/contact sports such as football, rugby, etc. I would not expect to see much drop off because you are probably running on adrenaline and instincts much of the time.. Might be different for QBs, kickers and deep cover defenders, but for other positions you would not think of a person just starting to play bad because of the pressure of the playoffs.
Yeah you put it better than me . Agreed. I would probably take out combat sports in my original post there are def fighters that get tentative but I don’t put that in the same category as choking when someone is trying to kill you necesssrily
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10-13-2018 , 03:08 PM
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I thought it was pretty much accepted that although "clutch" doesn't really exist, not performing as one normally does when under pressure (choking) is a reality for some athletes.
How can there be a ying but no yang?

Reframing "clutch" as not-choking under pressure makes sense, but only to a point. I know there's no debating 2p2 dogma, but if somebody establishes a track record of doing that then you can call them clutch. The Tiger example is a bit of an outlier but not-choking while virtually all of his competitors did for a decade means he was exceptional. You can call that poise or focus or grit, but calling it clutch is legit too.

The sample size issue makes it difficult to determine in lots of sports in lots of ways, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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10-13-2018 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
I think I could hit BP in a full stadium, but also think in a thousand simulations of me shooting free throws in a full arena for one million dollars, Id bet my FT% is cut in half at least.

I would expect very few people to shoot the same % as they do at the gym.
When you get random guys from the gym sure, they won't shoot FT as well as if you then put them in a packed arena, but the NBA/NCAA players have played in front of lots of people their entire lives, it's not new to them.

Clutch means not letting the pressure effect the way you play.

edit - I find it fascinating that Kershaw is such a choker and probably the most overrated player in any sport because of it.
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10-13-2018 , 04:05 PM
Why is Joe Buck always on my TV when I don't want him to be
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10-13-2018 , 04:11 PM
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How can there be a ying but no yang?

Reframing "clutch" as not-choking under pressure makes sense, but only to a point. I know there's no debating 2p2 dogma, but if somebody establishes a track record of doing that then you can call them clutch. The Tiger example is a bit of an outlier but not-choking while virtually all of his competitors did for a decade means he was exceptional. You can call that poise or focus or grit, but calling it clutch is legit too.

The sample size issue makes it difficult to determine in lots of sports in lots of ways, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Here is one way to think about there being a ying but no yang. If clutch exists, in that a player can actually play better than their own normal performance in important situations, then the same player is performing below their potential at all other times.. I am just one voice, but think that if you want to define clutch, it would not be an upswing in performance, but rather just no drop-off.

I guess it is semantics. Tiger was not "clutch" relative to his own performance. But he was "clutch" when compared to others around him. I just think if you are talking "clutch," then the benchmark has to be comparing your own performance in different situations. It gets muddied if player A becomes clutch only because players B, C, D, E etc are choking. Others failing doesn't make another player better than his own norms.
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10-13-2018 , 04:15 PM
Caaaaaiiiiinn
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10-13-2018 , 04:16 PM
It's yin and yang ffs!
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10-13-2018 , 04:18 PM
two B League playoff games before one A League, very very telling
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10-13-2018 , 04:20 PM
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two B League playoff games before one A League, very very telling
I seem to recall that in the past few years, the AL wild card game was played first, thus their series' were starting first, and this year the streak snapped. Hmmm
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10-13-2018 , 04:22 PM
mlb knew they had high value AL series' no matter what, and they probably hoped it would be Yankees (obv)

two highest win teams ever playing each other tho I think? 108 vs 103
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10-13-2018 , 04:27 PM
Marlins Man doesnt flinch with liner coming directly at his face. The dude ****s ice cream.
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10-13-2018 , 04:27 PM
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mlb knew they had high value AL series' no matter what, and they probably hoped it would be Yankees (obv)

two highest win teams ever playing each other tho I think? 108 vs 103
Im assuming that before the season began the NL game was scheduled for Tuesday and AL for Wednesday.
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10-13-2018 , 04:30 PM

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10-13-2018 , 04:36 PM
There's a little baseball field in the Miller Park parking lot!
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10-13-2018 , 04:42 PM
I can't believe the old guy that Andre the Giant choked when I was two years old is not only still alive but is broadcasting baseball games.
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