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12-10-2008 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
Jesus, CC is so hudge imo.
FYP
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12-10-2008 , 10:26 AM
well that's just unnecessary
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12-10-2008 , 10:28 AM
Screw him...he's a Yankee now.
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12-10-2008 , 10:33 AM
Oh please. You sound like my dad. He is going to be so mad when he hears about this news. I hate talking to him about baseball. What's the big deal? He went where the money is. Should I hate you for taking a job at firm X instead of firm Y when you graduate from Purdue because firm X offered you a 10% higher salary? Of course not.
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12-10-2008 , 10:47 AM
Yet another example of every source close to a player saying that the money is not the #1 issue, they want to play in this or that state, be close to this person or family, etc, they don't care about an extra 20-30 mil over the course of a long term contract when they are already signing a 9 figure deal, etc etc.... and then they end up taking the biggest money offer. Obviously one case doesn't prove it, but that was exactly what ran through my head when the CC talks started, count the being right.
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12-10-2008 , 10:50 AM
Well, the good news for the Brewers is that they were able to sign Todd Coffey and Jorge Julio, so that should make up for not getting CC.
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12-10-2008 , 10:52 AM
Oh no, I don't blame him for taking $160 million. I'm just saying I really hate seeing one of my all-time favorite players go from The Best Organization Ever to the worst organization ever in five short months. I mean, I don't BLAME the Yankees for spending money they have...it just pisses me off that they can give out ridiculous contracts like this without any worry of it crippling their team simply because they're in a massive market and have their own TV network.
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12-10-2008 , 10:56 AM
Ding.
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12-10-2008 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by owsley
Yet another example of every source close to a player saying that the money is not the #1 issue, they want to play in this or that state, be close to this person or family, etc, they don't care about an extra 20-30 mil over the course of a long term contract when they are already signing a 9 figure deal, etc etc.... and then they end up taking the biggest money offer. Obviously one case doesn't prove it, but that was exactly what ran through my head when the CC talks started, count the being right.
this is clearly more often the case than not...but other examples do exist.

Tim Wakefield for instance
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12-10-2008 , 11:23 AM
Were there even any real offers from teams for CC besides those from NY and Milwaukee? If he was offered, say, a six-year deal for a similar annual salary from the one of the LA teams and he declined, then I could see being a little miffed that it was "all about the money," but if the only two real offers on the table were 7/160 and 5/100, I don't blame him at all.

What would really suck for the Brewers would be if the Yankees also signed Tex. Because Tex is ranked as the #1 free agent, the Angels would get the Yankees' first round pick for him and the Brewers would get screwed.
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12-10-2008 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
Were there even any real offers from teams for CC besides those from NY and Milwaukee?
I guess we don't know for sure, but like 16 hours ago, there were reports that he badly wanted to be a Giant (lol) and was expecting them to make a big offer before the day ended. Of course, almost every rumor from yesterday turned out to be fake, so who knows?

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Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Yankees are close to signing Derek Lowe to a four-year deal worth between $68 and $72 million.
Wow. Again, it's insane money, but the Yankees couldn't care less. It does make me laugh, though, that DePodesta signed Lowe for 4/36 four years ago, and people said it was a ridiculous price to pay for him. Now, at 35 years old, he's going to get double that.
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12-10-2008 , 12:04 PM
DePodesta was obviously the best GM the Dodgers ever had, or will ever have.
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12-10-2008 , 12:23 PM
Happy for CC - just kinda feel bad for the circumstances all of this. There are really only a few ways this can play out:

Yankees win the WS in his first year, he is a true yankee and a legend regardless of what happens throughout his contract.

CC is amazing all season, falters slightly(gives up 3 runs over 6 and 2/3, yankees lose 3-2), everyone cries that he is a choker, and wonders why they have the highest paid position player AND pitcher and still cant win the big one.

CC gets hurt at some point, kevn brown, pavano, wright comparisons ensue.


Basically unless they win the WS ths year, CC will be resented, esp because he obviously didn't want to play there at first, held out for 20 more millions, and has the biggest pitching contract ever. He is one of my favorite players, and I really hope it works out well for him, but he is for sure gonna get what he is being paid for unless they return to greatness.

James
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12-10-2008 , 12:51 PM
according to yahoo sports, cc demanded (and got) an opt out clause after 3 years to "satisfy concerns he had about playing in NY".
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12-10-2008 , 01:01 PM
I think the opt out is pretty lol and is what makes the deal bad for the Yankees.

If Sabathia sucks or gets injured, then clearly he won't exercise it and he'll come back to NY and have 4 years, $92 million on his contract.

If Sabathia is a stud, then he acts like he doesn't like New York and opts out and gets another 6 year deal worth more money.
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12-10-2008 , 01:06 PM
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Not only did the Yankees boost their offer, they gave Sabathia an “out” clause after three years, should he decide even all that money is not worth staying in New York. Melvin said Sabathia’s agents wanted an “opt out” no matter which team he signed with, and the Brewers were prepared to offer one, also.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/35869674.html

looks like CC was demanding an opt out no matter where he went.
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12-10-2008 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
DePodesta was obviously the best GM the Dodgers ever had, or will ever have.
Too soon. God I hate Ned.
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12-10-2008 , 01:40 PM
Okay not only is 7/160 iffy, but an opt-out after 3 years is lololol. Wow.
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12-10-2008 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Caldarooni
Too soon. God I hate Ned.
Sorry. When I think of how poorly Colletti and McCourt have bankrupted the Dodgers (which was once the best farm system in the NL, and second only to Tampa Bay in the entire MLB), it makes me mad. I'm not a Dodgers fan, but it makes me mad all the same that someone that stupid can hold a position that so many people covet.
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12-10-2008 , 01:46 PM
7/160 is only crazy b/c they outbid the market by...$60m?

but it doesn't really matter, if the contract bad for the last few years it...doesn't really matter

it's a great move for the Yankees even if it would be a bad move for anyone else
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12-10-2008 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by zer0
espn says cc wants to be a dodger
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and Colletti is like, "eh"

you gotta gotta see if you can sign him to some kind of decent discount compared to the Yankee offer. all the rumors say CC wants to pitch in the NL, in CA ,etc...
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Originally Posted by Caldarooni
Just a ploy to get more Yankee money.
Well done by that last guy.
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12-10-2008 , 01:55 PM
meh, I don't think we'll ever know. if the Giants/Dodgers/Angels had offered something in the area to what the NYY offered (or something at all), we would know if the rumors about CC wanting to play in Calif/NL were true.

since those offers never came in, CC was right to just jump on this deal
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12-10-2008 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LurchySoprano
I think the opt out is pretty lol and is what makes the deal bad for the Yankees.

If Sabathia sucks or gets injured, then clearly he won't exercise it and he'll come back to NY and have 4 years, $92 million on his contract.

If Sabathia is a stud, then he acts like he doesn't like New York and opts out and gets another 6 year deal worth more money.
If CC gets injured/sucks we'd still have to pay him so opt out is meaningless in that regard.

If CC is good/great or hates NYC then we get 3 good/great years out of him and he bails or we can decide to re-sign him if we think it is worth it...a lot can change in 3 years...ESP our rotation and the market etc

Obv it's great for. CC regardless as it gives him more options...but it also gives the yanks options barring CC sucking getting hurt in the 3rd year.
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12-10-2008 , 02:12 PM
It gives the Yankees no options other than to pay more down the line. Nice option.
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12-10-2008 , 02:20 PM
Gross.

This contract is AIDs.

Lowe + Burnett or some other combination would have been infinitely better.
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