Slavery existed for thousands of years before people were like “uh this **** ain’t cool.”

Just because something has a precedent doesn’t make it right. Throwing at someone is wrong and should be banned from baseball, end of story.

touting the youtube video and podcast Trevor Bauer did with Nolan Arenado, pretty good convo

Brewers pitchers have largely sucked on the mound, but at the plate, they've been awesome.

Brewers' pitching staff HITTING: .394/.432/.636/1.069

They are OPSing over 1.000. That even includes an AB by Hader.

lol that’s stupid

Woodruff should just do the Ohtani full time.

Khrush Davis extended through 2021

Welcome to the forum.
9665 posts in and u finally contributed.

This is such an easy solution. 98 solid masses can really hurt. Just like a guy missing his spot on a 3-2 pitch, me can miss trying plunk a hitter in the back and end his career .

Why is celebrating frowned on? Lol olds

I love how this conversation comes up atleast once a year. couldn't get through april without it!

It is not about whether getting beaned is a proportionate response to a bat flip. It clearly is not. But that is irrelevant.

If a guy hits a home run and causally flips his bad and makes his away around the bases then all should be fine. If the same player wants to do a dramatic bat flip, stare down his homerun, slow trot the bases, etc. Then he should not be surprised if he get's beaned the next AB. he should expect it.

So, the argument about right or wrong doesn't matter. It is about a lack of awareness of the state of the game. We are only fans and we can tell when a guy is likely to get beaned. So, I have zero sympathy for a guy getting beaned for a bat flip. He can argue all he wants about it not being fair, but what he cant argue is that he had no idea what prompted it.

And why do people who argue against this want to evoke the old man or old school folks having anything to do with this. These are young MLB pitchers who are retaliating. Leave old men out of it. Young pitchers are beaning young batters.

The argument about whether it should be ok to bean someone is a legit debate, and both sides have good points.

But, until something is regulated (if ever), the solution to not getting intentionally beaned seems simple enough for anyone to figure out.

Both sides ITT

I'm back on the Reds now that they are out of LA. Ducked that sweep quite adeptly, obv. should have taken the other side. But gonna give them chance to heat back up a little.

I think the “ olds “ stuff is in raltion to fans, not players. Olds who have watched for years are generally anti shift, anti analytics and pro realtitory beaning.
Younger fans like the chess match and think human pain should not be a sentencing for a guy enjoying himself after hitting a ball wicked far.

I mean, it’s still sports right? Aren’t the players supposed to celebrate? Nobody gets their panties in a ruffle after a funny TD celebration or a super dunk?

I mean this conversation at least sparked me to spend 20 minutes watching this



Man it was a fun 20 minutes

On a note of "expecting a beaning". From the age of 14 until I stopped playing in college, I had one trick that I loved to use. If a runner on first tried to steal or advance on a passed ball, and there was no throw, I'd throw my hands up and say to the runner, "You're up, you're up, foul ball", and walk away. I got probably 5 runners with this and each time I was prepared to take one in the back. Not sure why I never got one but whatever.



I'm pro shift, pro analytics, pro retaliatory beating. Am I an old or a young?


ETA:huge difference between a bat flip that's out of excitement in a huge spot or a huge game and one in a random April game

The first bat flip I ever saw was Barry Bonds final home run in whatever home run derby he won.

1996, and it's oh so smooth...

https://youtu.be/CIvcudw3Hp0

You can see it here, https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/20...home-run-derby

Seattle pen trying to extend losing streak/ squander 8 run 7th inning lead

I am older than most of you for sure. I was slow to come around but have fully bought in on analytics. I am long past the "eye" test and ave and RBIs, etc..meaning much of anything.

I am also pro shift. But keep in mind some olds think that if you cant beat the shift then you deserve to be shifted. In fact, pro shift (well at least not ban the shift) might be well aligned with older fans. Many think every player should at least know "how" to bunt, and be able to take the ball to the opposite field.

I am pro DH too. It is not that I mind the pitcher hitting, it is the stuff that happens to the 8 spot.. Walking a guy to get the pitcher and watching him flail at balls or just not swing is no fun.

I am neither pro beaning or anti beaning for bat flips. But, as I said, it doesn't matter. We are still in an environment where if you cross the line and show up the pitcher or the other team, you can expect to get plunked. You and I as fans don't get to decide where the line is. All we can do is observe how it moves over time.

It would be interesting though to see how batters would react if pitchers started doing some things (more often and more animated) after a K.. Maybe a little bit of Marcus Stroman attitude with a longer stare and a flip of the glove after a decent K...?

Escaperoo!

So after I said that precedent absolutely doesn’t matter you decided to try and change my mind on the subject by writing a 500 word dissertation on how beanings exist because of....precedent.

Bold strategy, Cotton.

As an "old" I am anti beaning, pro shift (but think hitters should easily beat it), and pro analytics. Younger fans like the chess match? They like the 3 true outcome BS which is anything but a chess match. I do believe 3 true outcomes is nonsense. The chess match is small ball and moving the runners around the bases and bunting and stealing and hit and running and hitting behind runners and yes destroying the shift with smart hitting or shifting on stupid hitters.

Baseball is a very situational game. Which I believe is where some analytics lose their luster but can still be useful and informative. Certain situations are lost on analytics which the "youngs" refuse to acknowledge. The game isn't played on a spreadsheet. Every at bat or pitch or situation when they take place are not created equally.

Younger fans like the chess match? Because they constantly complain about the time it takes for this “chess match” that the younger generations created with analytics, to be over. Analytics need to be out of baseball, it’s ruined the flow of the game.

what is your suggestion? start adding a lot of rules about how many pitches you can take in an at bat, where fielders have to start, a minimum frequency of base stealing and bunting? also you aren't allowed to stop writing a player in the lineup just because analytics say he is "bad" and "cant hit"

I wouldn’t allow any data in the ballpark. If the teams want to scout outside of the park that’s fine, but I wouldn’t allow them to have anything they can look at in the parks. This would cut down on a lot of the time wasted between pitches. The catcher looks to the dugout for the sign, the coach has to look in the book, then relay the sign to the catcher who relays the sign to the pitcher. Whatever happened to the catcher just doing a good job of calling a game? I also would only allow a batter to step out of the box once per at bat.

Jesus eddy.