Sorry Montreal but you're flat out wrong again. Lakers weren't favored to beat the Bulls. The pistons were supposed to lose to the Bulls in '91 because the Bulls were the best team in the East. I shouldn't have to explain to you that teams don't stay static from year to year. The Pistons were old and running on fumes by the '91 ECF and on top of that Isiah Thomas was hurt with a bad wrist injury for most of the season. The Bulls were ascending and the Pistons were on the decline and would be completely out of the east picture within 2 years. They were a 40 win team in 92-93. You gotta remember that Pistons started their run as contenders in '87. They made it to the Finals 3 straight seasons, 88, 89, 90, they just couldn't hold on any more by '91. The GOAT was coming and finally had a running mate that was ready to step up.


Wrong

Did you actually watch the 90s Bulls? This is just an awful take. Phil's leadership and Pippen finally being a legitimate #2 threat on offense along with emergence of really solid role guys like Ho Grant is what made the Bulls what they were. Jordan was no better in 91 than he had been for the 5 years before that. He just finally had a team around him. Jordan had been the best player in the world since like '87. LOL ring counters will say that it was Magic or Bird because Jordan hadn't won a title but it was no doubt Jordan.

Pippen emerging was a big reason why the Bulls were finally title ready. MJ had been MJ for 5 or 6 years already by '91. He didn't get significantly better, his team got better and the emergence of Pippen was probably #1 on that list.

Jordan was the best player in the world no doubt but he needed another great player to start winning titles and Pippen was that for him. I never loved Pippen as #1 but he was a great 1A or #2 when paired up with a GOAT level player like MJ. I never gave more credit Pippen what I said was that his emergence is what put them over the top. Remember, by 91 Jordan had been tearing up the league and was the best player for a few years already by then. He still had no titles though because his team/cast wasn't good enough.

I learn something new from you every day Montreal. 91-93 Bulls sucked. Got it.



MJ was the best player in the world and they had the best #2 guy in the league with Pippen. If Scottie Pippen is your #2 guy and not even really close to #1 than yeah you have a pretty awesome team. Add on really good role players like HO Grant, cartwright, john paxson, they had the perfect cast around MJ. I don't think you really understand how basketball works that well.

It's hard to win 3 titles period but Lebron in a hypothetical world would have a good a chance as anyone else to try and duplicate MJs success in that 3 year span with the Bulls if you pull off MJ and add him. I'm just still really cracking up that you think that Jordan had a bad cast around him. LOL at saying the Heatles were a MUCH better team than Bulls 91-93. You can't keep saying Jordan is the GOAT and then say Heat 11-14 were MUCH better than Bulls 91-93.





You made the awful claim that Jordan with the Wizards would still be one of the best #2 guards in the league TODAY. Sorry Montreal but that's just a really bad take. Jordan with the Wizards wasn't good enough to...A) be someone you would try to build a championship team around B) be the second best player on a championship team. Jordan on the Wizards was a fun little experiment and a nice little nostalgic farewell tour.

What I said about Pippen was that '91 he finally emerged to be that legit #2 to complement GOAT Jordan and form a tremendous championship core for the Bulls. You're just insane if you think Jordan at 40 years old with the Wizards is anywhere close to a prime Scottie Pippen as far as the ability to contribute to a championship team's core.

lol montreal. gift that keeps giving.

Grunching here, but the point was that MJ averaging ~20PER at age 10000 in 2001-2003 completely eviscerates the LaSlappy argument that Lebron's era:MJ's era::Chess:Checkers

Lebron on the Bulls and he goes 5-1.

MJ in Lebron's shoes and he beats Dallas but loses to the 73-9 Warriors.

Who's got better credentials then? One ring does not equal one ring.

I’d go Jordan since neither of those things actually happened so you are entirely guessing.

Edit — and anyway even if I give it to you that this historical team swap is fact you just said LeBron on bulls goes 5-1 while Jordan went 6-0 and both Jordan and LeBron would have 3 rings with the heat and Cavs (just with the Dallas and warriors wins exchanged), so it would still be Jordan right?

Also Jordan and LeBron have entirely different skill sets, size, position, etc so if the heat or Cavs had Jordan they’d have had an entirely different team built around him. That’s why these time warp player swap hypothetical “facts” are ******ed, even for this thread.

The argument is finally, officially, objectively, 10000000000% over. The coffin has been nailed, buried, and forgotten. Even the most fervent LaSlappy will acknowledge this.

Now the debate over whether Lebron is even top 5 begins.

https://soundcloud.com/frankywahoo14...tewbillionaire

It's a poker forum but man people forget how much run good you need to have a run like that. Like run hotter than Justin Bonomo did this year at poker.

If they were 100% to win 1st round series, and 95% to win the rest they'd go 8/8 29% of the time, at 80% to win series it's sub .5%.

shows how good jordan was. I mean, he was even an underdog in most series according to noted nba authority and logician montrealcorp.

Wowwwwwwwwww is Pippen the true GOAT https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...swept_michael/

haralabob dropped yet again that he thnks LeBron is the GOAT in his latest podcast with Bill.

That's because he's data guy, not narrative/RANGZ guy.

Link to podcast? Is it the Simmons podcast or his?

Remember when all these ppl itt thought that he didn't think that? Just because the tweet was old or deleted or something? That was lol. Of course he thinks that. He's not dumb.

https://youtu.be/nsGR_H_wBlU

@35mins.

Twigley said haralabob had a data-driven model showing LeBron > MJ. In the podcast he says "in his opinion" LeBron is the best ever.

This may blow your mind but these are two very different things.

No they're both true

What? When did he say that he had a data-driven model showing LeBron > MJ in the podcast? What model did he use? Why is he collecting data from the 80's and 90's when he's a sports bettor in 2018?

lol he immediately says that Lebron is a terrible evaluator of talent

MJ is also a terrible evaluator of talent.

Llllllllooooooolllllll






LaWant just keeps digging his grave deeper and deeper
At this rate, he won't even be top 10 all time by the time his career is over

>HV has models for evaluating players and their worth to teams and systems
>HV has publicly stated multiple times that LBJ is the best player ever
>????
>HV would never use a model to determine an opinion

Are you one of those guys who says "well there isn't anything to disprove god"

RebeccaTwigley,
I am asking for the source that HV used a data-driven model to rank LeBron > MJ. You are somehow translating this to "HV never uses a model to determine an opinion". Can you please explain how you arrived at this completely separate statement using completely different words?

Look, I get it. I've interacted with you enough now to realize this isn't as easy as it should be. But can you try to think a bit before you reply? It wastes a ton of time for both of us.

HVs opinion > Matt Rs opinion

Sorry bro, just take the L.

the wanting is quite impressive

lol he literally spends two minutes saying Lebron is not smart enough to choose his team on his own and they take that as a W.

not much different from how they also take getting swept in the finals as a W, lots of mental gymnastics involved in being a LeSlappie