Pau had a better finals then Kobe at least one of the 3 titles they played for

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This is probably the dumbest post in the entire sport event forum....
Man cant believe some people are so sure of them self when they have no ideas what basic progress and evolution means !

Please stop posting, you dont have any clue about anything.
Ho yeah btw, with your logic, in 15 years the best player in the nba will be the goat because all the player in the league will get better has a whole than what we see today.
Small journey for Lebron as the goat....


Thinking the all time greats in any fields could not get better than what they achieve with better training and knowledge that was not available to them in their time period is hilarious.

Montreals best post of the thread

Wtf victor

you're conflating lebron's 2014 finals loss with the times that players lose to teams with superior talent, where their stats cant be criticized.

but the heat didnt have worse talent than the 2014 Spurs, so their record margin of defeat reflected the difference in teamwork between the 2 teams

so lebron's stats were achieved while his team had the worst teamwork ever in a finals.. therefore, his stats can be criticized as "empty", and his style of play as self-serving


mj didnt have a super team or more talent than the sonics

but their offense did have better teamwork, and mj was the biggest part of the offense


To put the 2014 Finals in perspective, Jordan's Bulls were closer to the 86' Celtics in ortg and ppg than Lebron's Heat were to the Spurs.. That's how HORRIBLE Lebron's teamwork was

so whats your excuse for lebron being less competitive with a champion team, than jordan was with a 30 win team?

Pau is nothing more than a scab off Kobe's ass.
Pau is also soft, soft like charmin, soft like this post.

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!

jordan never lost as the favorite, or even when it was 50/50 - he only lost as a big underdog

otoh, lebron lost as favorite twice (09 and 11'), and lost by record amount when it was 50/50 in 2014


MJ simply played better - look how many series lebron has with sub-par stats:

Lebron 2007 ECSF:. 24.7 on 42.3%

Lebron 2007 Finals:. 22.0 on 35.6%

Lebron 2008 ECSF:. 26.7 on 35.5%

Lebron 2011 Finals:. 17.8 on 47.8%

Lebron 2013 ECSF:. 23.8 on 43.8%

Lebron 2014 ECF:. 22.8 on 55.9%

Lebron 2016 1st Rd:. 22.8 on 48.7%

How does lebron win the ECF easily while averaging 22.8 ppg?...

oh wait.. he had a super-team.. 2 all-stars teammates and frieking ray allen as 4th option.. smh

Again, Kobe>Lebron is a much better debate.

I'll start: Kobe has 5 rings in 7 finals and is a better scorer

Now tell them why Kobe is better. Get'em 609 Get'em

This is stupid. MJ's Bulls had a huge talent advantage over the Sonics. He plays poorly (by his standards). They still win. MJ played well. Your logic is terrible.

Yes, I remember how many people talk about the Sonics being in the discussion as the greatest team ever. Oh hang on...

The Bulls offense was pretty terrible in that series. They won on their defense and Rodman's offensive rebounds (helped that MJ was throwing up brick after brick). Did you actually watch it?

eFG% of 45.4% for the series.

It's okay. You can say that MJ played "remarkably bad" and it's okay. There is actually no other thing for you to say if you want to be taken seriously.

I've already said why several posts back. MJ was really good against the Celtics. No one has ever said otherwise. Doesn't make LeBron's series poor.

why do you keep saying this? He wasn't a big under dog vs Detroit in 90 or Magic in 1995.

Scoring is literally the only thing you could argue Kobe does better and it's basically a dead heat.

25.1 vs 24.9 points per 36.

I like how scoring is the only stat you have included.

Not one person (even on the LeBron side) is arguing that LeBron is a better scrorer than MJ.

By the way a stat line that would look good in there is MJ's 96 Finals one. Then you should follow it with...

How does MJ win the Finals easily while shooting 41%?...

oh wait.. he had a super-team.. 2 all-stars teammates and frieking Kukoc as 4th option.. hang on maybe Harper. Hmmm maybe Steve Kerr (Kerr 8.1ppg @ eFG% of 63% > Allens 9.6ppg @ eFG% of 55% fwiw). smh. Oh, and then he had the winningest coach in NBA history on the side lines against a coach who couldn't win a chip after 25 years as a coach.

Kobe had limited minutes early in his career due to coming straight out of high school. He also played behind Shaq, both of which drastically effected his career ppg average.
Kobe is a better scorer than lebron period. He has also accomplished more as a player.

no it's not.

lebron is a lot closer to jordan than he is to that pig kobe.

2016 OKC BEATS 2016 cavs.

Cavs got LUCKY kd and Westbrook choked and that they were able to face GSW instead of okc

Lol at people conflating regular season wins with greatness.

16 GSW is not even second best team lebron faced in a finals. 16 GSW gets crushed by 90s bulls and 00 lakers in a 7 game series

Yeah. Imagine how LeBron's stats would have been if he had come straight out of high school. Wait... hang on a sec...


fwiw take off Kobe's first two seasons and he is at 25.2pp 36 minutes.


Seasons scoring more than 30ppg. Kobe 2, LeBron 2
Seasons scoring more than 25ppg. Kobe (12/20), Lebron (13/14). The one season LeBron missed was when he averaged 21 at the age of 19. At the same age Kobe was scoring 15ppg.

Seasons shooting better than 50% - Kobe 0, LeBron 7. **** Kobe didn't even have a season where he shot more than 47%.

Like I said you could make an argument for Kobe being a better scorer. But it's the only part of the game where you could argue he's better than LeBron. And even then it's not a great argument. Then throw in the rest of the parts of the game and LeBron has him easily covered.

The Pau>Kobe trolls never stop being funny.

Well, being that they choked against the Warriors, how can you make the argument that they wouldn't have choked against the Cavs?

It's pretty much universally accepted that the 2017 GSW is the best team LeBron has played in the Finals. So, why are you adding that?

Changed it to second best.

They matched up better with cavs than pre-kd GSW did. Adams would have neutralized tt. Kd would have neutralized lebron . Westbrook would have owned Kyrie. Cavs would not have been able to neutralize Westbrook in same way they neutralized curry in 2015/16. Kanter and Adams were better rim protectors Once bogut got hurt GSW had no rim protectors

Cavs swept OKC including a 23 point win on the road that year...please continue.

Please keep talking about regular season like it matters at all.

Capone thinks 16 GSW > 17 GSW because 73>67.

You got me.

The only actual games point to your points being wrong. Cavs are better during the regular season especially Lebron; RWB is typically worse.

When have I said the 16 team was better than the 17 team?; the 16 team was dealing with injuries to Curry and others and didn't have Durant. Of course the 17 team is better just didn't win as many games in the regular season but have a better SRS.

Lebron went to the cavs as the number 1 option straight outta high school, for a crappy franchise.
Kobe went to the Almighty Lakers and was far from the 1st option. Even when Kobe was good enough to be the 1st option he still had to wait behind Shaq for 2 or 3 years which effected his scoring.
Kobe was always the guy running out the shot clock at the end of quarters and taking the last shot, which effected his percentage.
Kobe has more rings and has performed better in the biggest games and series of his career.

Kobe "mostly" wins championships

Lebron "mostly" loses championships

That is the greatest factor in determining who is the Greatest.
Lebron loses when it counts the MOST!!!!
And Kobe does not