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Originally Posted by SABR42
By that logic Magic Johnson never learned to win "organically" because he was drafted into the Lakers who already had the best player in the world.
Sure that's why I have Magic and Lebron next to each other in the all-time rankings - they're the best ball-dominators of all-time but this style needs the most help, which puts them behind the best centers (9. Shaq 8. Duncan 7. Kareem 6. Russell 5. Wilt). followed by the best expert jumpshooters of all-time, who needed the least help (Bird, Curry, Kobe, MJ)..
"Passers" like Magic and Lebron inherently need all-time scoring help - they need all-time scorers at sidekick that can lead the team scoring for entire playoff runs and outplay league MVP's.. Only Magic and Lebron had this caliber of help, aka all-time scorers at sidekick that outplayed league MVP's, i.e. Kyrie over Curry, Kareem over Bird, AD over Jokic, or Wade over Dirk.
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Originally Posted by SABR42
The whole winning "organically" is just arbitrary bullshit
The reason why winning "organically" matters is because every lottery pick is drafted to a horrible team, so they must build it from scratch "organically" without good supporting talent.. Without good talent, a team must learn to win by developing great chemistry and brand of ball, which are hallmarks of an "organic" path.. Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Mj and Lebron all took this organic path of chemistry development to achieve league favorites by Year 7 with "normal" or "organic" rosters... But Lebron simply gave up in 2010 and teamed up with opponents thereafter.. He gave up on learning how to win via normal casts and chemistry development (organic), and opted for a talent-based approach instead.. As a talent-based winner that now used talent as the excuse for losing (not enough help), he never truly learned how to win, aka chemistry, organic
This is all intuitive when commentators, coaches and media talk about winning "organically" or building a team "organically".. Winning organically usually takes years to achieve league favorite status, whereas Lebron took the easiest path by forming Year 1 league favorites via ready-made talent, aka non-organic in 2011, 2015, and 2020.. I suppose 2020 was technically year 2