It's June again. Which means it's time to resurrect this thread and see if anyone is interested in comparing Jordan to LeBron.

Lebron will never run a team as badly as Jordan has run the Hornets.

Well this year he bought Mike Miller and James Jones with him from Miami... so... well...

Hey guys, I created this sporcle quiz a while back. Hopefully it'll clear some things up about this debate.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/etats36...rdan-or-lebron

This shoudn't even be a thread. What Lebron did is the same as if MJ had played a few years in Chicago, won nothing and decided to go to Orlando and play with Shaq and Hardaway go 2-2 in the finals then decide to come back to Chicago. But he would have conditions. "Scotty can stay but I want you to bring in a top 10 player and get rid of Kerr and Longley, I want an upgrade at every position."

I don't think I've ever seen a man need more help to win.

My favorite part of the LBJ haters is they bash him for not winning rings and ring chasing at the same time.

The only difference between what Jordan and LeBron did is that the Bulls lucked into getting pippen and grant (and later rodman) whereas LeBron just joined a different team. If the Bulls kept losing and didn't get Jordan any help he would've left too. He's like the most competitive guy ever and would punch teammates during practice routinely. He hates losing and if he had those garbage teams LBJ had on his first stint on the Cavs he would've been gone too.

Much harder to leave teams then. If you wanted to switch teams you basically had to become a malcontent dickhead similar to Barkley in '92.

If the bulls kept losing...

But they didn't because he was so good they had no choice but to play up to his level, which is what LeBron is lauded for but Jordan won with Bill wennington, Jud buechler, Stacy king, will Perdue as role players. Bron will never be as good as Jordan, it's as simple as that. He was never going to be, we can continue to make excuses but the farther this charade goes on the sillier it looks

Conveniently left out that right around the time they "got better" they happened to draft a player who's top 50 all time.

But yeah it was actually because of Will Perdue stepping up his game thanks to the Jordan!

I'm not trying to say LeBron is better than MJ but there is a lot of revisionist history/nostalgia surrounding Jordan's run from '91-98.

The edge in having a guy like that grew massively because of all the expansion that took place in the late 80s and early 90s. Then they added Pippen, who was by far the 3rd best player at worst in any series they played, and their edge on the other teams was just really strong. Having Pippen when the Knicks 2nd best player was like John Starks was a bigger advantage at the time than people remember. Knicks, Pacers, Suns, Sonics. I mean jeez, couldn't Hakeem saved his GOAT years for '93 or '96.

The 2nd run in particular, the league was watered down and they had Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc/Harper. That is by far the most dominant a team was going to be over its competition and I don't we see that type of gap between a team and the rest of the league for awhile.

There just weren't many well rounded teams then to challenge the Bulls. Closest they came to losing was Indiana in '98, their 2nd best offensive player was Rik Smits. Yeah shocker they couldn't close the deal.

All those guys Trollstoy named averaged about 7 MPG in the playoffs during pretty much every ring they won. Pretty irrelevant. It's not like Miami's 8th men were super impressive when LeBron titled.

The Bulls did nothing until they got Jordan 2nd and 3rd bananas. He was like 1-9 in the playoffs before that. Just because the Bulls luck boxed Pippen/Grant/Rodman and Bron switched teams because the NBA is way different now means nothing. If you want to argue Jordan>Bron that's the wrong way to do it.

Unfortunately for LeBron, Cleveland drafted Luke Jackson 1 pick before Iggy got taken. They whiffed on Redd and Allen in free agency and eventually had to max Larry Hughes.

At the time he left for Miami. The Celts were still in the mix, LAL was loaded, OKC was coming up. Just going NYK with Bosh or something wasn't going to cut it. Kudos to him for recognizing that.

Check Jordan's ppg numbers in the finals. The narrative that somehow when players get to the finals they're unable to dominate an opponent on their own and decide the ultimate outcome of a game, that they're at the mercy of their teammates as a convenient excuse for failure is beyond comical. Nate Robinson had a game against the nets not too long ago where he basically did it on his own. LeBron could choose to put forth such an effort in the finals, and if he did it consistently in the finals he wouldn't have the record he does.

Bron beasts about once per series and then the sheep bleat loudly about GOAT, forgetting that Jordan did that in just about every game in the playoffs with a massive bullseye on his back the entire time. Excuses are constantly made for his finals losses but numbers don't lie.

Who really makes their teammates better, the career 1.000 guy in the finals or the career 2/5 guy? Does pippen get as good if he's not guarding the best offensive player in the game in practice everyday?

I look forward to essays of excuses after this next finals loss. True GOAT shooter going to title his first time like real, not manufactured, bosses do.

True GOAT would not have wasted 9/15 seasons.

That's fine. Just wish MJ slappies could admit Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc/Harper was a stacked supporting cast and the Bulls opponents weren't exactly lighting the world on fire.

Also are you referring to Nate Robinson on the Celtics vs the Lakers when him and Big Baby just went nuts in the 4th quarter?

You're a clown, bro

Jordan played 13 seasons with the bulls, he collected his 6th title in 6 tries in that 13th season. Bron is in his 12th year and is trying to pick up his 3rd title and even his .400 finals record. If somehow bron could win this year (LOL) and win 2 next year and erase his series losses he's right there!

Bron has a propensity to display cowardice and passivity in the finals, Jordan exuded dominance and competitiveness. Through brons first 3 finals series he still hadn't hit Jordan's career finals ppg average in scoring. You might call that "distributing", I'll call it being a scared little bitch.

Collected his 6th title in 13 tries of NBA seasons. Nice try with the math though.

If LeBron got knocked out by Atlanta that would have been better for his legacy than losing in the finals!

Next.

And bron is going for 3 in 12. And he's not going to get it, are you conceding defeat with your last statement? I accept, it was getting embarrassing on your end.

If MJ starts his career on the 2003 Cavs, he wins ____ rings by 6/20/2015?

What defeat? His career isn't even over yet. Like calling defeat after half time, kind of like your Bulls amirite?

Jordan 6/15 actually. LeBron has plenty of time to catch up.


I'm like trolling you so easily and hard and I still think Jordan is the GOAT. You just can't help with your hate and its hilarious.

0 if he stays there. A couple when he decides to join other hall of famers in Miami.

What was he doing the other 7 seasons? Tanking?

The only thing you're trolling is logic and your perception to others, but keep doing so if it makes you feel accomplished today.

Through brons first 12 seasons he has a chance for 3 rings in six tries whereas Jordan was 5/5 through 12 seasons. After bron loses in two weeks he will be at 2/6. He can win 3 more but that will never erase the stain of his failure to get it done the first 6 times like the other guy did. 6>2, or 3 as well. Having the highest ppg in finals history > having the nerve to disrespect Dirk while putting up 17ppg in 2011.

Sure, LeBron could win more titles as his jump shot lays dead and he turns the ball over more and more, but I doubt it.

The 'strikerate' argument is so infuriatingly stupid it almost makes me want to be on the LeBron side. I'm not, MJ is the GOAT... but it's because (in addition to non-ring-based arguments) 6 > 2, not because "100%" > "40%".

Have you ever looked at Cleveland's roster?