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LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163

View Poll Results: GOAT?

labron

181 30.42%

MJ (Michael or Maple)

317 53.28%

Therapist

8 1.34%

George Mikan

5 0.84%

Shaq Attaq

21 3.53%

Wilt the Stilt (100 pts yo)

13 2.18%

Timmy "Big Fundamentals" Duncan

20 3.36%

"Roger Murdock"

3 0.50%

Enchanted AIDS Wang (er, HIV+?)

9 1.51%

Larry Legend (+ HM to Bill Russell's laugh)

18 3.03%

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06-17-2019 , 12:14 PM

#12251

VanceAce

grinder

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2+2 hot take 3 years from now -- today:

"AD was never really that good; he only went to the playoffs a couple times before LeBron"

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10-15-2019 , 06:28 AM

#12252

Perhaps Shimmy

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10-17-2019 , 06:05 AM

#12253

AllBlackDan

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02-13-2020 , 02:49 AM

#12254

All-inMcLovin

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In 3 sentences or less tell us how you really feel!

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02-13-2020 , 09:15 PM

#12255

Iwreckshop

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,542

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Originally Posted by trada7029

The reality is that Lebron, Dwight, AI and Kidd made the Finals with weak casts from 01-09', so Lebron's Finals streak with super-teams isn't unexpected in such a weak conference.. And he won 66 games with 2 fringe all-stars in 09', (Mo, Zydrunas), which is less impressive than Dirk winning 67 with 1 fringe all-star in 07'.. in the West..

So Lebron's exploits with super-teams in a weak conference coupled with the always-impactful ball-dominator role have inflated his impact and "carrying" ability.. The reality is that Lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds/good teams his entire career, and missed the playoffs 3 times with lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) in 04', 05', and 19'.. by failing to carry lottery casts to low seeds, he avoided underdog 1st round matchups that would've sent him home early.. he infact missed the playoffs with the East all-star center in 05', and needed to add the COY and a 22/5/5 all-defender to make it in 06' (as a high seed).. by comparison, pippen wasn't capable of 22/5/5 and all-defense until 1992, while Khris Middleton will never have that 2-way capability.
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ppl really are this stupid!

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02-13-2020 , 10:00 PM

#12256

Victor

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Dude LeBron won a title in cleveland

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02-13-2020 , 10:22 PM

#12257

grando1.0

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He probably thinks Kobe is better than Lebron

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02-13-2020 , 11:15 PM

#12258

Iwreckshop

Pooh-Bah

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lol @ kobe being "the man"

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02-14-2020 , 12:49 AM

#12259

All-inMcLovin

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Originally Posted by Victor

Dude LeBron won a title in cleveland

/thread

Lock it up!

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02-14-2020 , 02:17 AM

#12260

bacalaopeace

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 1,881

Kobe is like Andy Murray next to Lebron who is like Novak.

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02-14-2020 , 03:19 AM

#12261

Carnivore

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Nah, Kevin Durant is Andy Murray.

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02-14-2020 , 06:16 AM

#12262

bacalaopeace

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Kevin Durant is kyrgios.

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02-14-2020 , 09:22 PM

#12263

Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by Victor

Dude LeBron won a title in cleveland

And kawhi won in Toronto .....so ?

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02-14-2020 , 10:25 PM

#12264

ILOVEPOKER929

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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace

Kobe is like Andy Murray next to Lebron who is like Novak.

F U Jordan is clearly Novak!

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02-15-2020 , 12:16 AM

#12265

Onlydo2days

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The debate for the best American born player of all time is going to rage on for a long time. Not a big fan of the subjectivity of comparing eras but I guess it is interesting.

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02-15-2020 , 12:41 AM

#12266

cannabusto

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Originally Posted by trada7029

winning a ring as "the man" defined the careers of Dirk, Kobe and many others - it's simply the best achievement in basketball

Now who has the most rings as the best player in the modern era/3-pointer basketball (since 1980)??

MJ has 6 and 2nd place has 3 - so mj has twice as many "best player" rings as anyone else in the modern era, while leading in ppg and efficiency rating.. that's the best goat argument that anyone can make

how did MJ have far better team offenses despite far less offensive help?

obviously, his skillset allows better teamwork and brand of ball than Lebron's, so he didn't need as much supporting talent (if everyone on a team was a worse scorer than Horace grant, the team would win 0 games, whereas Love and Bosh won 40+ as the #1 option)

better brand/teamwork = better team ceilings/better teams = better championship odds, aka better player..

ultimately, team ceiling is a bigger factor affecting championship odds than a good on-off, which all the top ball-dominators have

What's better:

LEBRON.... 9 conference Finals wins... 3 Finals wins
JORDAN'... 6 conference Finals wins... 6 Finals wins

Obviously, 3 more Finals wins > 3 more conference finals wins

I define modern era as post 97 onwards. Kobe goat obv. Tough break for MJ, but thems the eras.

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02-15-2020 , 03:29 AM

#12267

fidstar-poker

I'm gonna need a hacksaw

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I define modern era as 2014 on. Steph GOAT.

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02-15-2020 , 04:30 AM

#12268

ILOVEPOKER929

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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker

I define modern era as 2014 on. Steph GOAT.

Not modern enough. Zion is the goat.

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02-15-2020 , 04:36 AM

#12269

bacalaopeace

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Luka>zion

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02-15-2020 , 04:42 AM

#12270

El bastardo

centurion

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

The debate for the best American born player of all time is going to rage on for a long time.

Eye exams will be Michael's clips someday.

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02-15-2020 , 05:32 AM

#12271

fidstar-poker

I'm gonna need a hacksaw

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Not modern enough. Zion is the goat.

Not modern enough. Zion's sperm GOAT.

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02-15-2020 , 11:57 PM

#12272

Onlydo2days

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twog you still doin this ****? after all these years?

for what?

Nike ain't kicking you anything for letting people know Michael Jordan was pretty darn good.

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02-16-2020 , 12:10 AM

#12273

cannabusto

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Originally Posted by trada7029

your criteria is arbitrary

whereas the inception of the 3-point line and therefore 3-pointer basketball is not

btw - before the 3-point line, good team offense/ortgs was impossible, which allowed a 1-way player like Russell to win the most.. but since the inception of the 3-point line, all 40 MVP's have been dominant offensive players, so we know that Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player today.. therefore, MJ's 6 rings is by far the goat modern accomplishment - that's twice as many "best player" rings as anyone else in the modern era/3-pointer basketball