lol he edited his post to only leave the section I quoted and replied to me with the word bomb I had ignored initially in the first post. You're just the worst. I'm sorry everybody I will no longer point to flaws in his logic as a fun exercise.

I really think he's either an astroturfer or legitimately has his identity so intertwined he really does have a clinical mental disorder - not hyperbole. He will not cede any point but isn't stupid in the normal sense of the word.

Jordan took 39 shots to score 29 points. That's quite awful, should have involved his teammates more.

you are not long for this world

LOGIC AND TONS OF ****

It's half right at least.

Imagine if LeBron shot 39 shots in the finals against the Spurs and only scored 29 points, would his teammates still carry him to a victory?

Twog once again giving us the ammunition we need.

lebron 1, Jordan 0 in this argument. Next.

I don't know if that's widely accepted

I think it's more just most guys don't have just one great year but 2-3 that are pretty close to each other but, at least in TZ, I've usually seen single season comparisons. Drafts prbly factor into my perception of this.

There's nothing wrong with 2-4 years as a criteria though

Finger slipped.

Thank god. The thread he linked was to another forum full of people bitching about him there too.

Not that anyone could possibly be uncertain about whether he was trainwreckog, but if you IP him and do some research you realize that proving he was twog is easy. Also, 3ball - his userid on the forum he linked to - is an OTB&C'd user here, along with a large number of other wonderful troll accounts that have been OTB&C'd in the past sharing the same unique IP.

100% certainty he was twog, no doubt whatsoever that he'll be back. He DID get creative about proxying the IP on mario chalmers, though, so there's that.

Yeah I wouldn't worry about overstepping it was clearly twog and it won't matter in like a day when you're crossed over here too

I think its more that if your peak is only 1-2yrs injuries need to be a driving force or you just get eliminated from conversation

Using a baseball example Mike trout
1yr 10.5 war
2yr 21 war
3yr 29 war
4yr ~38 war(estimate for this year)

It becomes much more impressive once it gets past 2yrs

In terms of peak in the context of career argument? Yes. But if we say peak Yao vs peak Bob Lanier or something we're talking about it the same way you'd try to compare two boxers.

Also the NBA isn't like NFL or MLB where there are 1 year blips. Guys don't average 28ppg and then go back down to 17 like other sports. To your point only Bill Walton and to a lesser degree Grant Hill are guys I can really think of regarded as great players overall despite injury woes.

Guys, I urge you to take a step back and think of what you are doing. You need to spend more time with family and less time arguing about silly things like these

Jordan quit to go play lol beisbol. And he didn't even make the majors!

LeBron would never quit to go play wide receiver for the ****ing Dallas Cowboys. And he would be a top 5 receiver ITL instantly. LOBron James with another touchdown!

Lebron > Jordan

"I'm taking my talents to New England"

that would've rustled some jimmies

^ he'd probably just cramp up and be useless in the 4th quarter

If you're judging peak as just one year then I'd give it to Lebron. If you ranked all the Lebron and Jordan seasons first to last MJ probably has four of the top five, but 08-09 Lebron was straight up godmode

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Some of the hate on both sides is pretty ridiculous. Lebron playoff and finals performances stack up pretty well compared to everyone except for maybe MJ, who I think is still the GOAT. He also played on some much worse teams and holding his 2-4 finals record against him isn't totally fair given the teams had in the finals in 07 and this year (He did come up very small in his first year with Miami in the finals tho)

Some of this MJ hate is also ridiculous. MJ was not as physically imposing as LBJ but it's being overlooked what a freak athlete he was in his own right. He was absolutely an elite defender and dominated both sides of the ball. It's like people are so rustled that casual fans underrate Jordan's supporting cast they all of sudden they are going to huge extremes to undermine what Jordan did. The 98-99 season pippen was 33 and average a career high 40.2 MPG and average 14.5/6.5/5.9 on 43.2% shooting on a pretty good Houston team. He probably benefitted a little bit from playing with MJ too!

I'm open to the idea that LBJ will pass Jordan but he's not there and it's silly for people to be making the case for so strongly when he prime years haven't been superior to mjs and we don't know what his decline phase will look like yet. This year could have been adapting to new surroundings but his fg% dropped back below 50% and he looks to have a bit of a harder time finishing at the rim. (Tho I don't know if stats back this up so feel free to disprove that, just kind of a lol eye test observation) LBJ is a better rebounder and passer, and MJ was the was prolific scorer in history of the NBA and wins the intangilibes battle IMO.

It's a treat to watch these two guys, I think they almost certainly go down as #1 and #2 when lebron retires and the order will be determined by what lebron does to close out his career. But the people trying argue LBJ > MJ because he had an impressive finals must not be looking at some of MJ's finals stats because he had as good or better showings in series that him team won.

Wow I actually read that wall of text.

Not bad at all.

This battle is just like console wars and apple vs android

I'm on the right side but there are AIDS arguments all around

If we count one season peaks we'd get some pretty wacky teams like Yao, Wade, Iverson that could legit compete and other goofy things.

People already argue Wade is the 2nd best 2 guard OAT

Yeah but when composing a team of all time great teams he would probably not make any of them even if MJ wasn't on your team.

One season peaks would be an amazing video game.