Are you being serious? Reggie > Klay in like every way. And Reggie never had a Steph Curry to distract defenses.

Everything other than shooting.

Thompson has a higher percentage from 3 on more attempts (the attempts make sense given the changes in the game) but I don’t think there’s super strong evidence he’s a marketedly better shooter than Miller, even on an absolute basis (Miller was decidedly better on a relative basis). Klay’s 5 year regular season peak he shot 42.3% on 11 3PA per 100 poss, Miller shot 42.1% on 8.2 per 100 poss. So Klay has more volume, but that’s not to say Miller couldn’t necessarily scale efficiently if he needed to. He’s a 4% better FT shooter for his career which is a decent gap amongst known elite shooters. We don’t have full shooting data for Miller because of when he played, but the limited data we do have indicates that a decent % less of Miller’s FGAs were assisted.

The argument for Klay would be defensive, I think. And I suppose on a hypothetical super team the only thing that would matter for this player mold is defense, offball movement and catch + shoot. Anyway, it’s likely much closer than people think. Miller is one of the more underrated players in history.

Reggie is both overrated and underrated by different people. He couldn't rebound at all and wasn't much of a playmaker or defender so as an overall player he can't compare to guys like Drexler who could do everything.

As an offensive player he provided elite off-ball movement and spacing. Players like Miller indirectly affect the whole offense by forcing defenders to chase him all around the 3 point line. And he had a lot more craft than just being a catch-and-shoot guy.

^^^ all of that (the last two posts)

He’s a better shooter? Oh
Better defender? Ohhh

It would be interesting to see how well Klay would do where he’s not with curry. He simply doesn’t need to be a playmaker

Klay's consistency is amazing from 3. His is 8 of 8 shooting better than 40% from 3 in a season, while Miller is 10 of 18 (7 of 15 when you take out the shorter 3 point line seasons).

I'll give you Klay is a (relatively) poor free throw shooter for his shooting abilities. Only shoots 2 a game though.

FWIW I didn't say Klay was a better player, but he's a better shooter.

Klay without Curry is an interesting one. His numbers aren't great when looking at each game, random games in a season.

But in the rare opportunities when Curry goes down for an extended period he has shown he can perform.

In 2016 when Curry missed all but 18 minutes between Game 2 of the first round and Game 3 of the second round Klay averaged 29ppg on 47/46/86 shooting splits. Meanwhile he was guarding Dame and Harden and doing a good job. Warriors went 5-2.

I think peak Reggie was a better overall shooter than Klay, yes. Especially when you consider he had to work harder for his shots (no Curry, less free flowing offensive sets). Relative to the league average (so adjusting for changes in rules and strategy), Miller was clearly better.

I’ll give you that Klay is a better defender, but meh on wing defenders not named Pippen, Jordan, Payton (and a handful of others). It’s not enough to move the needle.

Reggie was just way better off the ball and creating his own shot. He would wreak havoc if he ever got to play alongside a Jordan, LeBron, or Curry. Can you imagine having to guard LeBron and Reggie Miller on the court at the same time? Defenders would probably give up by halftime.

If you look at old players who weren't big men whose shooting numbers would translate well now the best are, Brent Barry, Adrian dantley, Reggie miller, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, mark price. I probably left someone out.

Imho, when using position first and put the best players in it , it bring more clarity in the goat discussion .

Pg : LeBron -> exit magic
Sg : jordan
SF : Bird -> used to be LeBron but playing pg with lakers show with his style it’s his best fit .
Pf : Tim duncan -> who had the most competition throughout his entire career than TD ?
(Lakers, warriors, miami ) and still won 5 ?
C : KAJ Body or work of kareem exceed all the others .

Those 5 should be in top 10 on any list .
I just don’t see anyone better at those position .

KD, giannis, luka ,etc. let’s just see what they do till they are at least 35+ .

Ps: probably should even uses era top 5 first in each decades then bring it all together .

Fwiw , I ll never have problems putting russel or wilt equal with kareem with an * .
Too many unknown about it but by respect they deserve it .

Between those 5 I go :
Jordan
KAJ
LeBron
Bird
TD

Couple Center and pg could crawl in between some of them .
Especially below LeBron . (Magic-Bird a wash ?)
To me even tho top 3 is not consensus in the order , I can’t see no one displacing them from top 3.

Unfortunately too many awesome players deserve probably better ( magic retired at only 31 , Bird got hurt, Shaq too lazy ,etc..) but you have to go with what actually happens and not by what « if » or « should have » imo .

God dude you've wasted a ton of energy over the years to in the end up having Lebron where you have him and the overall take you have on the top 3 in general. Montreal up in here trolling himself.

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Huh ?
Your too advanced for me I guess .
Whats your top 5 by position ?

pretty good story about bird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fLE95WP68I

I haven't been in this thread in awhile but dude you used to spend so much energy making anti lebron takes to just pretty much end up in the same spot everyone else who was arguing against you was at. It's just funny that's all. My top 5 and 3 is the same as yours. We're pretty much in 100% agreement but you argued against lebron like a mad man previously so it just made me laugh that's all. It's all good bro. You got there. That's all that counts.

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The anti-Jordan people are doing literally the exact same thing.

Montreal,
Magic > LeBron at PG. at least mid 30’s LeBron. If he played it at 25 maybe a different story.

Either way LeBron is a natural small forward/point forward. He crushes GOAT small forward. Even tho I think most ppl super underrate Bird he’s still def a tier or even two below LeBron.

Im not sure LeBron is that better vs bird pre injured at SF .
Bird to me definitely as good a magic .
Fwiw, I rather have bird at sf and LeBron at pg than LeBron sf and magic at pg .

LeBron > Bird at SF. Pretty easily imo but I halfway agree with you in that it’s closer than most think.

I don’t disagree with your last sentence but that’s because LeBron is most effective as a point forward and that matches better with Bird than Magic (though Magic could probably play any position well, he’s best as a playmaker).

If you’re talking team construction I take Curry at point guard (but effectively acting as a shooting guard) and LeBron at small (point) forward. This sounds kind of ridiculous as I write it, but maybe best team construction? Curry and Reggie Miller at guard, LeBron at point forward. Garnett at PF. Kareem at center. 2nd string have Magic Bird and Jordan coming off the bench with Duncan and Shaq pounding in the post. Curry and Reggie tire them out off ball with LeBron finding the open man. Other team gives up halfway into first quarter, down 20 points. Then Jordan Magic Bird Shaq Duncan coming in 2nd string lmao. They’d win by 100 points against anyone.

Without the defence but Klay is a better shooter.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000470933429

Reggie vs Ray Allen vs Klay Thompson

(Hint: it’s Reggie by a decent margin)

All time team doesn't need LeBron creating shots at the point guard position.

Any other pick than Steph at point guard is wrong for an all time team.

Good point .
But shouldn’t length, rebounds , defence for example be considered too ?

I understand steph is lethal from anywhere on the court but so his bird imo .
Imho I rather have LeBron at pg .

Im not arguing just asking ?

It doesn't matter what you call their positions.

You play Steph for his offensive skillset and have LeBron playmake from SF.

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FACTS

True Modern Basketball is Positionless.