* Durant had 49 of 114 points (43%), and his highest teammates had 27.
* Jordan had 54 of 105 points (51%) and his highest teammate had 14.. (93' ECF Game 4)
* Jordan had 55 of 111 points (50%) and his highest teammate had 17.. (93' Finals Game 4)
By carrying a bigger scoring burden with zero help (highest teammate scored 14), all eyes were on Jordan, so his performance was dimensions tougher than Durant, who had high-scoring teammates keeping defenders at home
Ultimately, Durant had a better game and win over a top team than Lebron ever did, but not better than Jordan ever did (see above).
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So in those two games, Jordan averaged 54.5 points on 33.5fga and 16fta per game, while Durant had 49 points on 23fga and 16fta. Jordan also had less rebounds & assists in his two games combined (14 rebounds & 6 assists) than Durant had in his one game (17 rebounds and 10 assists). I wouldn't have expected it, but you've actually just given me more appreciation for what Durant did in his game. No wonder he had more help offensively, he was dominant with his scoring and in setting up his teammates with good looks.
*Dang, & you helped highlight how good Horace Grant was in those two games. He averaged 15.5pts/11rbd/2stl/2blk & was 14-20 from the field.
Did the 2014 Finals look like that too?... his competitive character, toughness and maturity is utter garbage - unbelievable - how in the hell did this bum get goat consideration?
heres one of my favorites that no one talks about. ok ya, everyone talks about the Pistons game where he just took their soul and ended their run as a contender. but the cavs were down 2-0 to start that series after these 2 plays.
Lebron passes to one of those supposed amazing players you like to claim made it easy for him to win.
Marshall misses and I am sure you were just overjoyed and telling everyone who would listen how awful Lebron is for finding a wide open teammate. proly his "ball-dominate skillset" and "long dribbles" caused the miss.
OK, lots of heat on Lebron now. game 2.
misses the game winner after getting fouled at least 3 times. now the media and I am sure you yourself were just ecstatic and screaming about how fraudulent he is.
so that is just to contextualize how his game 5 didnt just happen. it happened in the face of immense criticism.
another one no one talks about is 2018 vs the Celts. down 3-2 and with the team just looking like garbage. Celts clearly have a lot more talent, were a higher seed, and were just playing better having blown out the cavs or won handily in all 3 wins.
and finally, did he quit down 3-1 to the Warriors?
did he quite when Iguodala was driving unopposed for a layup that surely would have sealed it?
in most of these situations Lebron faced more adversity and pressure than just about any athlete ever. he is expected to win and when he does, you guys just find excuses. if he misses any of those shots or doesnt play well enough then yall would never stop using it against him. but he overcomes the long odds due to his GOATness and you guys just ignore it and continue to try to portray a false narrative.
the fact is that no other player in history has so many clutch moments. so many important shots and big games.
Mj quit the league twice in his prime and near prime. You obviously don’t care. It’s just people again be lazy with Lebron hate.
hes shifting the argument. he claims Lebron quits when the chips are down. I thoroughly proved that claim idiotic. so he pivots to "well if Lebron was so good then he NEVER would have even faced such situations."
one corresponding thing about such adverse moments is that they double as clutch moments. so again, these same iconic plays prove Lebron's clutchness thereby destroying another of the haters most repeated falsehoods.
Lebron had record blowouts where his team quit in 2014 and 2018, or upset losses where the media discussed Lebron quitting in 2011 and 2010.
So what more is needed to demonstrate that he quits? It's the historical record..
Furthermore, he quit and formed super-teams.. Before the "decision", Lebron was a 1-trick pony like Iverson or Dwight, while Kidd and Wade had actually done much more than him..
Ultimately, Lebron was lottery or 2nd Round loss in 04', 05', 06', 08', and 10'... so he quit and took the cheat-code route.
No one said Lebron isn't clutch - he's clutch - it's just nowhere near Jordan.
For example, Devin Booker made 34 shots from mid-range so far in these playoffs, so he might finish with half the makes that Jordan had in the 97' or 98' Playoffs (120 each year).. Booker shoots a lot of threes, but the relevant point is how insane a mid-range shooter that Jordan was (the goat shooter from mid-range, and therefore the goat clutch player)..
Ultimately, Jordan is the only all-time athlete that was also an all-time shooter from either mid-range, threes, or FT's... The real all-time athletes like Giannis, Lebron, Dr. J, Wilt, Kemp, Zion, etc - none of them were elite shooters, let alone all-time like Jordan's mid-range.
Down the stretch of tight Playoff games (last 5 within 5):
2006 - 2018 LEBRON... 134-323... 41.4%... 108 games... 3.0 attempts per game
1997 & 1998 JORDAN'..... 42-89... 47.2%..... 25 games... 3.6 attempts per game
TLDR: Down the stretch of tight playoff games (last 5 within 5), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game in the 2006-2018 Playoffs, compared to 47% on 3.6 attempts for 97' and 98' Jordan (20% more attempts on better efficiency)
On game-winners, Lebron has a lower frequency of winners, lower efficiency on them, NONE in 10 Finals (0-8) and most of his winners are miss-and-overtime, not miss-and-go-home.. And no series-walk-offs (Jordan has 2). So again, Lebron is not on Jordan's level.
Furthermore, it's a statistical fact that Lebron avoids/defers contested jumpers - he almost never takes them compared to his peers - this factor destroys him compared to all-time clutch players.. He's still clutch, but dimensions below goat-caliber (Jordan).
His clutch is simply dimensions below the best.
The triangle required bailouts on various possessions throughout the game, and within the offense - so MJ/Kobe developed a reputation for bailing out the Bulls on quick turnarounds and pull-ups throughout the game in the triangle.. It was their role within the offense, which increased their clutch role over a lower usage guy in the clutch like Lebron.
I know it's probably cause the stats don't exist, but don't you think it's disingenuous to look at Lebron's entire playoff career (weird to not include last year and this year) which includes playoff losses and only look at Jordan's last 2 years, which are title years and conclude something?
Lebron had record blowouts where his team quit in 2014 and 2018, or upset losses where the media discussed Lebron quitting in 2011 and 2010.
So what more is needed to demonstrate that he quits? It's the historical record..
Furthermore, he quit and formed super-teams.. Before the "decision", Lebron was a 1-trick pony like Iverson or Dwight, while Kidd and Wade had actually done much more than him..
Ultimately, Lebron was lottery or 2nd Round loss in 04', 05', 06', 08', and 10'... so he quit and took the cheat-code route.
No one said Lebron isn't clutch - he's clutch - it's just nowhere near Jordan.
For example, Devin Booker made 34 shots from mid-range so far in these playoffs, so he might finish with half the makes that Jordan had in the 97' or 98' Playoffs (120 each year).. Booker shoots a lot of threes, but the relevant point is how insane a mid-range shooter that Jordan was (the goat shooter from mid-range, and therefore the goat clutch player)..
Ultimately, Jordan is the only all-time athlete that was also an all-time shooter from either mid-range, threes, or FT's... The real all-time athletes like Giannis, Lebron, Dr. J, Wilt, Kemp, Zion, etc - none of them were elite shooters, let alone all-time like Jordan's mid-range.
Down the stretch of tight Playoff games (last 5 within 5):
2006 - 2018 LEBRON... 134-323... 41.4%... 108 games... 3.0 attempts per game
1997 & 1998 JORDAN'..... 42-89... 47.2%..... 25 games... 3.6 attempts per game
TLDR: Down the stretch of tight playoff games (last 5 within 5), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game in the 2006-2018 Playoffs, compared to 47% on 3.6 attempts for 97' and 98' Jordan (20% more attempts on better efficiency)
On game-winners, Lebron has a lower frequency of winners, lower efficiency on them, NONE in 10 Finals (0-8) and most of his winners are miss-and-overtime, not miss-and-go-home.. And no series-walk-offs (Jordan has 2). So again, Lebron is not on Jordan's level.
Furthermore, it's a statistical fact that Lebron avoids/defers contested jumpers - he almost never takes them compared to his peers - this factor destroys him compared to all-time clutch players.. He's still clutch, but dimensions below goat-caliber (Jordan).
His clutch is simply dimensions below the best.
The triangle required bailouts on various possessions throughout the game, and within the offense - so MJ/Kobe developed a reputation for bailing out the Bulls on quick turnarounds and pull-ups throughout the game in the triangle.. It was their role within the offense, which increased their clutch role over a lower usage guy in the clutch like Lebron.
Avoiding/deferring contested shots for higher ev alternatives seems the essence of good basketball.
Yikes, how primitive was basketball in the 90s. My god.
If you lined up the 2020 teams and made them play against the 90s team in league vs league, the 2020 teams would dominate the 90s team hard. The 90s teams would be forced to change their games completely, overhaul entire rosters.
Half the players in the 90s wouldn't get signed to a team by GM's today.
Just stop, nobody cares about your stupid metrics which are beyond arbitrary.
Organic—you can stack your team but just not too much. Who’s the judge, well, I’m the judge. If cp3 wins, I know you hate that guy do your arguments go out the window too? Did cp3 stack or are the suns organic enough? Only 3ball can decide.
It’s hilarious the narratives you set in your own mind and project that anyone else cares. No, Giannis isn’t as good as Lebron and KD to most people. All 3 players have some flaw, Giannis just more than most greats right now but his career is far from finished.
How many different sites did you copy and paste that crap? You did it at least twice here. Broussard is an idiot talking head, are you surprised he said something like that. We can move Giannis up when he wins a few.
So if Kyrie and harden were healthy and Giannis got skull****ed again would your opinion change? Giannis finally won and also ran good. Idk if the bucks can beat the suns but it’s too be seen. The arbitrary nature of your analysis is so funny and convoluted to fit your narrative it’s embarrassing.
I didn’t say it matter when it came to the nets, I meant giannis. The ability for him to rise in your ranks is directly correlated to 2 stars on the other team getting hurt.
lol as the MJ/Bron discussion dies down since once Bron is removed from his prime no one will really care anymore, these historical bball debates gonna go in some fun directions.
lol I'm not detracting him, the only MJ stuff I watched was Space Jam. If you want to update the claim now and say you meant Trae had good odds against his first round opponent, then sure.
Agree Jordan was much more powerful with the ball than Slender Man. Durant lost it a bunch of time going up in the series when bumped or nicked. I think his height makes up for it in being an unstoppable scorer. Is he the greatest perimeter scorer ever? He's close. He'd have trouble in the Bad Boy era probably.