incredible, this is the EpiPen11 McHale defense.

fundamental misunderstanding of the game and of cause/effect.

Curry and his ability, along with others, revolutionized the game.

also, I love how you rip on players for open shots. like, creating an open shot is a skill. Lebron is GOAT bc of his ability to create open shots for himself, whether they be dunks or 3 pointers or whatever. you wonder why Lebron doestn shoot mid range jumpers all the time? bc he doesnt need to. he dunks it instead.

or he creates shots for his teammates. bc he is a GOAT level distributor.

Curry creates his own open shots all the time too. thats why he is MVP and an all time great.

this is pathetic. close the thread. now dude is arguing that Jordan would coulda shoulda but he "didnt respect" 3 pointers? jfc. this more pathetic than me and all my exes.

Jordan would have more rings if he played against the coked up scrubs in the 70s.

Lebron would have more rings if he played against the weaklings of the 90s.

The fact that Jordan won so much with a second option like Pippen is testament to the comparatively weak level of play then.. Also, the eyetest tape shows how lol it was. like watch those guys play defense...its a joke.

and the part of it was the rules which just forced 1 on 1 play. imagine Lebron getting to play 1 on 1 with no help defense. just a joke. not to mention the completely lol athleticism compared to the players nowadays.

thats capitalism tho. its a global trillion dollar sport. and Lebron dominates it. in 5-20 years, the next guy that dominates will be better than Lebron. thats how evolution and progress works.

Even if Jordan is the GOAT, these arguments by 3ball are convincing me he's not.

How did Lebron manufacture his tough childhood? I’d love for you to explain that without me laughing my ass off.

Only a racist white guy or an uncle Tom would say a black kid growing up with dirt poor parents without a dad didn't have a tough child hood.

Not only is trainwreckog an imbecile, he's also a racist / uncle Tom.

He couldn't help himself finally. When you hate someone enough you will eventually reveal your true colors.

9 year old kids don't know they are living a tough life...


LeBron moved half a dozen times in the 4th grade because his mother was being evicted from house to house.


3ball just admitted that black kids that grow up without a father, live in poverty in elementary school don't have it "hard".

LOLOLOLOL...wtf. So you make more **** up.

This thread is amazing. I think I honestly change my mind over which side I land on based on whichever argument I most recently read in here. To be against it.

EDIT: oh wow just caught up and read last few posts. Might be LBJ4L now Jesus they wont be topped.

He knows he is making things up just rile up whatever forum he posts on, why try to respond honestly to a racist troll?

Aw poor Jordan had his father die.

Every one loses their parents eventually. Jordan quitting basketball because his father died was just manufactured grief. Selective journalism at best.

3ball has went through the full 5 stages of grief and has now gone to becoming an Uncle Tom to try to soothe the pain of Oct 11 2020.


A black guy using racist white supremacist talking points to downplay the poor single mother black experience in America.


You are willing to demean your own kind to troll LeBron. Amazing.

WTF @ at the childhood stuff. Man that’s an all time low for this thread which is really saying something. Really just showcases how much personal, visceral hatred really plays into all this for LBJ haters. Crazy.

I mean, thats a good argument about why hes not as good as Lebron.

Lebrons mom was literally a crack whore. like, I am not passing judgement or anything and I love me some prostitutes. but its not a secret that his mom turned tricks for money.


ya this. really ugly stuff. how effed up to you need to be to claim Lebron "manufactured his childhood"?

These things can be cherry picked and can mean all sorts of things.

Maybe Jordan got lucky to play in the era between Magic's HIV and Birds bad back and before the Shaq/Kobe lakers. Hakeem won a title with a complete garbage team in 94. No other star player on that team or anything even close to a star. Mid 90's NBA was weak ****.

But yeah Kyrie is great and Pippen is trash and old Ray Allen saves the day and Dennis Rodman was just getting in the way.

Jordan was great, no doubt. I was a Jordan stan in the mid 90's too. I was a Lebron hater up until his Cleveland title. But your Lebron hate is something absurd, you should get counselling for it.

1994 Houston Rockets
Hakeem Olajuwon (league MVP)
Robert Horry
Otis Thorpe
Vernon Maxwell
Kenny Smith
Mario Elie
Sam Cassell

So one of the greatest centers to ever play basketball in an MVP season and a shitload of EXCELLENT starters/role players.

2011 Dallas Mavericks
Dirk Nowitzki at 32 years old. Still good obviously but no longer at his peak.
38 year old Jason Kidd
33 year old Jason Terry
Tyson Chandler
Shawn Marion
JJ Barea
DeShawn Stevenson

This team beat LeBron and his handpicked Miami Heat superteam in his prime.

I get you guys to want to support your Bron Bron and had never watched basketball before 2018, but please at least get your facts straight before you stan so hard and pretend you were totally Jordan fans before LeBron converted you in 2018 (after Kyrie, who totally sucks amiright, played out of his mind in the finals and drained a clutch 3 in game 7 with less than a minute left to give the Cavs the win)

Compare that 1994 team to OKC. Spurs and Golden state. That 1994 team would be a top 2 finals opponent in the 90s for Jordan and a bottom 2 finals opponent for Bran.

I'll take the Dallas Mavericks over 1994 Rockets. Swept the defending champion Lakers, took out the stacked OKC team in 5 without breaking a sweat.

The Utah jazz swept the lakers (shaq/kobe) , swept Spurs ( Robinson/Duncan eventually nba champion the year following ) and beat Hakeem,drexler, Barkley .

Mav swept kobe , basically dirk vs kobe but they are much better than all time great combine ...

Utah were old but mav so much better with 37/38 years old Jason kid)

Makes perfect sense ...

Ps: why Jason Kidd didn’t win anything before 2011 if he was so great with dirk .
Nvm dirk by himself probably take out the entire 1990s by himself ....

Some here seem not realizing a lot of players playing in 2000-2010 were playing in Jordan era but seem from 2011 , a magic spell been cast on the nba and all players magically were transform in super hero’s ...

Careful montreal. You’re gonna make the Bron Bron stans realize that a lot of these players overlapped between the careers of MJ and LeBron, and Bron Bron stans don’t like facts. They like to think 38 year old Jason Kidd was ultra elite, Kyrie sucks because that would help the LeStan narrative, and Olajuwon was mediocre because he played in the 90’s. Once you start pointing out guys like Shaq, Duncan, Kidd, Kobe overlapped both “eras” (lol the year old Jordan retired found LeBron joining the league 4 months later) heads will start spinning and they’re gonna lose their LeRections.

I know , it’s getting frustrated .
Hakeem destroyed shaq by himself .
Utah destroyed shaq .

Than shaq destroy the nba early 2000 .

but 1990s sucked , shrug .

Ps:
When people speaks about 1990 sucks, probably includes the 2000-2004 years as well.
Maybe shaq only start dominating because all the great in the 1990 were gone or past their prime .
Isn’t that what people say about Jordan in the 90 ?
So shaq in reality sucked big time and he ain’t that good either ...

Why yes Montreal. Yes indeed. That is EXACTLY what they said about Jordan in the 90’s when they started to beat that elite Pistons squad. Excellent catch.

Now let’s see if LeStans are going to be LeConsistent in LeArguments and they’re going to retract their claim that Hakeem Olajuwon and the ‘94 Rockets couldn’t hold a candle to the 2011 Mavs and 38 year old Kidd and JJ ****ing Barea, or if they just need to protect their Bron Bron (but they were totally Jordan homers before LESWEAR).

There you go fixed. Did lol at you trying to present the fact that he still won MVP that year as a point in favor of how tough and competitive the league was though

Kobe came off the bench in 1998 averaging 15/3/3 on 41%, how is that good? You forget that? Kobe only started playing well in 2000. A monster Shaq and Kobe team!

1998 Spurs had a rookie Tim Duncan. Yeah beating Rookie Tim Duncan means you were a real monster team.

You and Matt R. don't even remember your own history from your era.