This is all stupid. These guys using stats they really don't understand. All sports
change and evolve.

Using stats would be the absolute worst in hockey. You can sit there and argue W gretzky was twice as good as mcdavid because he scored 92 goals and mcdavid has yet to reach 50. Gretzky must be so so so so so much better the stats say so.

You guys are ******ed. You don't know how to use your eyes. My above example is perfect. Comparing stats today to 30 years ago is complete insanity, most so in hockey.
In that case guys like bernie nichols are better than connor mcdavid. But he scored 65 goals one year more than connor he must be better.

Pippen was one of the greatest defensive players ever. You guys no nothing of basketball. Lets compare stats now of todays players in a much more offensive game to yester years. That makes sense.

well if we are gonna go eye test then its lolololol to even think that Jordan could touch Lebron. and its even more of a joke to think that the players of that era, and the defense of that era, could come close to the nowadays.

sports evolve. Lebron has goated up the best competition in the history of the NBA.

hes as big as Karl Malone. with the athleticism of an all time great wing. can pass like a PG. can get to the rim at will. the weakest part of his game is that he is merely a good outside shooter.

oh and hes the most clutch player of all time.

Last 2 posts nail the reality of this.

Well hold on a bit .....
Are you saying gretzky wouldnÂ’t dominate today as well ?

Just to be clear, jagr who was as close as anyone to gretzky and Lemieux , was able to score 27 goals at 42 years old not long ago in the nhl !
42 years old .....

Obv taking one of his best season as a comparison is stupid but if you take the average , I doubt he wouldnÂ’t be as good .
42 goals /93 assist for gretzky per year is certainly possible in this nhl time .

The whole conversation seems so 2018, I dunno how they're gonna keep it going once LeBron is not 1 of the best in the world/retired. Been beaten to death.

You would think who is going to be considered better is going to be unveiled soon and anyone on the wrong side of history will be purged with the intensity people have for this.

Brady probably finish with more rings than these 2 combined either way

Ray Allen counts but Rodman doesn't? Allen was a role player on the Heat, Rodman was still extremely valuable.

if Kevin Love makes the HOF then HOF is a joke, dude had like 3 good years lol

came hard with that 8 and 6 in the 2016 nba finals, man Bron couldn't have done it w/o him (trading #1 pick for him shows Bron GMing gm not as good as his bball 1 tho)

Yeah, Rodman had a huge role in 96 and 97. Had dropped off in 98

Using PER for Rodman.

Excellent work.

using counting/rate stats for defensive stars, the best of 3bali.

you banana's don't even understand that Pippen was 3rd in
MVP voting the year Jordan was AFK. You really don't understand
basketball.

Then you critisize Rodman. Again you have no idea the athlete freak
this guy was.

I'm a Jordan guy, but he had great teammattes. Nobody wins titles
let alone 6 without great teammattes. Not Lebron or Jordan.

All these useless stats u guys bring up too.

A. Different era's effect the stats.

B. Lebron is a playmaker. Patrick Ewing said himself he would pick MJ as the better player, but would rather play with Lebron cause he wants the ball too. Lebron made his teammattes better than Jordan did for his. Not because he's better, but because he's a playmaker. Meanwhile much of Chicago offense was give Jordan the ball and get out of the way.

In today's game Jordan would be KD

If KD was an all-NBA defender, didn’t miss half his games due to injury, had a better handle and didn’t turn the ball over 4 times a game, and wasn’t a baby back *****, then yeah mj would be similar to kd.

Jordan was middling with his left hand. Zeke always said just make him go left.

He'd not be all NBA defensive now.

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I don't think people realize what they're up against, say what you want about twog/his 30 other ghosts over the years/3 ball but he is ****ing willing to die for this ****, are you?

Props to him for that, I don't even care about my own health as much as he cares about MJ being better than Bron

Kerr played for the Bulls for 2 years before MJ got there. He averaged 8.4ppg on 51/48 split.

He then played 2 seasons with MJ and scored 8.1ppg on 50/48 split.

MJ obviously making a big difference.

Elite shooters like Kerr and mark price and Dale Ellis would be stars in today game. Look what happened to Dell Curry. From just a shooter to MVP.

Back then the game was midrange jumpers and post and coaches actively discouraged three point shooting, viewing an occasional three pointer from an elite shooter like Kerr as tolerable as a way to generate space in the post.

I thought pretty much everybody with a brain had McHale over Ewing.

wait, now rings dont matter?

Pippen and McHale are not the same person

lol.

You want to see open 3s. Go watch some 80s and 90s footage.

Remember Jordan's 6 threes in a half. Every single one of them. Wide open.

There was no need to guard out there. Coaches benched you for shooting threes.

All these coulda woulda shoula's about Jordan shooting 3's.

Lebron would run circles around the clowns Jordan played against. If Lebron and Jordan played in the same era, nobody would ever mention Jordan when talking about the GOAT.

Pippen had one chance in his career to be a 1st option. That team won 55 games and was very competitive. He was absolutely talented enough in his prime to be a first option on most teams.