LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163
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05-04-2021
, 04:10 PM
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^^^^ That article is one of many incorrect interpretations of the Illegal Defense Rules (and this ambiguity is why it was a free-for-all and nothing was enforced).
Otoh, today's defensive 3 seconds rule keeps the paint clear, which means that defenders flooding the strongside can't stop and wait in the paint - if the defender decides to stop in the paint and play halfway, the ball-handler can time his drive for when the defender must run back to their man (AWAY from the penetration).. Accordingly, today's rules mandate that paint-camping defenders run AWAY from timely penetrators.
If the defender comes all the way over on a strongside flood, the ball-handler can wait them out (wait for them to run back), or get an easy assist to a weakside that's a man down defensively... Either way, the strongside flood has become a stat-padder for ball-handlers - it was initially lauded as something significant, but now it's routinely shredded and there's a zillion perimeter guys getting 25 ppg (many of them bums).
In addition to the wing penetration described above, defensive 3 seconds ensures that all penetrators from the top of the key (which is most penetration) see an OPEN PAINT behind their initial defender, while previous era penetrators saw crowded bodies in the paint when penetrating from the top of the key.
Ultimately, defensive 3 seconds keeps the paint clear, and here's a specific example below that shows how lax the previous era rules were by comparison:
Unlike the gif above, today's defensive 3 seconds rule requires paint defenders to stand right next to their man (within "armslength") - so they couldn't stand under the rim while their man was outside the paint like the illegal defense rules allowed (shown in the gif above) - they would need to stand right next to their man at the edge of the paint (not under the rim like the gif above).. Keep in mind that the paint is 16 feet wide and a man's arm is about 3 feet.
Otoh, the illegal defense rules stipulate that "the defensive player may be within the 'inside lane' area with no time limitations" when their man was standing next to the paint (within 3 feet on either side - a hash mark on the baseline denotes the 3 feet).. That's legal paint camping.. Furthermore, previous eras had an "outside lane" on each side of the paint where weakside defenders could stand INDEFINITELY while the ball was on the strongside - this is specified in the illegal defense rules (Rule 2a.. shown in previous post).
Use your eyes
look at the isolations that Lebron got against the Warriors shown earlier - they were completely secluded and help defenders were furthest away defending shooters and abiding by defensive 3
otoh, the isolations shown of dr. j and andrew toney were complete garbage - unspaced and legal paint-camping..
floods are needed if there's no spacing and legal paint-camping.
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Otoh, today's defensive 3 seconds rule keeps the paint clear, which means that defenders flooding the strongside can't stop and wait in the paint - if the defender decides to stop in the paint and play halfway, the ball-handler can time his drive for when the defender must run back to their man (AWAY from the penetration).. Accordingly, today's rules mandate that paint-camping defenders run AWAY from timely penetrators.
If the defender comes all the way over on a strongside flood, the ball-handler can wait them out (wait for them to run back), or get an easy assist to a weakside that's a man down defensively... Either way, the strongside flood has become a stat-padder for ball-handlers - it was initially lauded as something significant, but now it's routinely shredded and there's a zillion perimeter guys getting 25 ppg (many of them bums).
In addition to the wing penetration described above, defensive 3 seconds ensures that all penetrators from the top of the key (which is most penetration) see an OPEN PAINT behind their initial defender, while previous era penetrators saw crowded bodies in the paint when penetrating from the top of the key.
Ultimately, defensive 3 seconds keeps the paint clear, and here's a specific example below that shows how lax the previous era rules were by comparison:
Unlike the gif above, today's defensive 3 seconds rule requires paint defenders to stand right next to their man (within "armslength") - so they couldn't stand under the rim while their man was outside the paint like the illegal defense rules allowed (shown in the gif above) - they would need to stand right next to their man at the edge of the paint (not under the rim like the gif above).. Keep in mind that the paint is 16 feet wide and a man's arm is about 3 feet.
Otoh, the illegal defense rules stipulate that "the defensive player may be within the 'inside lane' area with no time limitations" when their man was standing next to the paint (within 3 feet on either side - a hash mark on the baseline denotes the 3 feet).. That's legal paint camping.. Furthermore, previous eras had an "outside lane" on each side of the paint where weakside defenders could stand INDEFINITELY while the ball was on the strongside - this is specified in the illegal defense rules (Rule 2a.. shown in previous post).
Use your eyes
look at the isolations that Lebron got against the Warriors shown earlier - they were completely secluded and help defenders were furthest away defending shooters and abiding by defensive 3
otoh, the isolations shown of dr. j and andrew toney were complete garbage - unspaced and legal paint-camping..
floods are needed if there's no spacing and legal paint-camping.
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may just post that gif any time someone tries to say the Jordan era was at all comparable to the modern era in terms of athleticism, strength, defense.
05-04-2021
, 04:19 PM
jordan had the goat drop-step... BY FAR:
^^^^ This power is why Jordan was far superior to KD - "Jordan's strength was like a big man's" according to Magic Johnson, which gave him an advantage over KD on both ends.. Jordan was a guard that played like a center with "the best post game in basketball":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsbx66LZbA&t=0m43s
And unlike Lebron, Jordan had goat jumpshooting skill, so he could pop off in any fashion and overwhelm KD, while Lebron's plodding, dribble-heavy attack couldn't keep up.
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