Lmao sort by categories led.

A new low for the troll.

If Lebron wins this year, with this Lakers team, it will only solidify his claim to goat. After AD the fall off is precipitous. I can't remember a team winning a title with such a lousy third player.

Who’s third you talking about ?

Lakers, obviously (to anyone with minimal reading comprehension)

lebron's ring this year = Kobe's ring with Shaq, aka not respected as a real "best player" ring

and you realize that MJ was a mcdonald's all-american but wasn't allowed to enter the league at 18 like lebron did?

if Jordan enjoyed the same rules as lebron and was allowed to enter the league at 18, lebron wouldn't have more career points or any longevity case..

and of course, MJ wasn't hurt in 94' and would've continued playing if he lost to Barkley - it would've been ridiculous and shameful to retire right after losing to Barkley and he would never do it.. he only retired because he 3-peated

So even the longevity argument is completely bogus.


utter nonsense.. tons of teams have won with no 3rd option.. mj won 6 that way... rodman averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs and wasn't the starter in the 98' playoffs

and your assertion is silly - so the Lakers can't win with AD, but the clippers are supposed to win because they have lou williams?.. you guys and the media were obviously wrong about this.. not surprisingly

AD has better stats than lebron, whereas mj won every ring destroying Pippen statistically.. mj has 6 rings as the top producer, while lebron will end his career with 3 lol

imagine if AD was scoring and shooting like Pippen - Denver would sweep.. ultimately, lebron can't win without 2 perennial all-star teammates (big 3), or Tim Duncan as a teammate.

lebron's ring this year will be perceived like Kobe's rings alongside Shaq, aka carried

AD is absolutely killing it at the moment and been just as good as LeBron so far in the playoffs. This isnt some wild theory. It's common sense.

Why do LeBron fans refuse to give his teammates credit? It's a common thread of his whole career. Downplay his teammates.

Lol trainwreckdog.

7 years ago you had like 10 accounts banned.

Finally decided to come back here after AD rekt you on that shot.

are we reading the same thread?

This is just a classic bad-faith argument. If AD didn't play well, it would've been all about how Lebron makes teammates worse. Never mind that AD has never accomplished anything in the playoffs before and how superstars paired together tend to cause one another's numbers look less impressive, we would've never heard the end of how Lebron makes role players out of superstars. Of course, now that AD is playing better offensively than he's ever played, next to Lebron, it's all about how AD is carrying Lebron. You can't have it both ways.

The reality is that 1) AD has played extremely well offensively, perhaps even better than Lebron (though defensively, it's been the opposite) and 2) part of this has to do with Lebron being the more complete player and the bigger threat forces teams to plan around Lebron and deal with AD as a secondary threat. and 3) part of this is about Lebron distributing the ball as to get other players in rhythm, not merely setting them up for easy buckets, but putting them in a variety of situations.

This season has been yet another reminder of how Lebron makes his teammates better by being a swiss-army knife that makes the spare parts work. AD now joins a long list of players who have played their best basketball next to Lebron.

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According to the most respected statisticians (538), the 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the best assemblage of talent since 1980, until Durant's Warriors in 17'



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-be-different/

(btw, the chart shows that the 11' Heat and 15' Cavs underachieved their OFFENSIVE projection (lebron-ball), not defensive)



^^^ the historical record refutes that

the Cavs were originally favored in 2015 (preseason and pre-playoffs) before Love got injured, so the Cavs were considered the better assemblage of talent...

The Vegas odds are consistent with 538's statistical analysis (shown above in the chart) - 538 said the 15' Cavs had among the greatest assemblages of talent since 1980.

So the odds initially favored the Cavs - this was logical since the Cavs/Warriors were the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars (big 3's), and many people would say that kyrie > klay.... and love > dray or very comparable.

so the talent was comparable yet curry wins 73 and Lebron 57 due to Curry's superior brand of ball - curry's skills enable him to score while the ball moves, while Lebron's skills require him to dominate the ball which hurts team ceiling (causes an inferior team to curry's ball movement).


2016 Finals

Kyrie'... 27 on 46%
Curry... 22 on 42%


^^^ if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would we say Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?... if Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would we credit Reggie with a goat accomplishment? you can do this with any Finals - if Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', would Kidd get credited with a goat accomplishment?... so why does lebron get credit when others wouldn't??

lebron led 5 categories, but he led by miniscule amounts, so he SHARED the scoring load, and also rebounds, blocks and steals - that doesn't compare to mj CARRYING the scoring load (20 more ppg than Pippen), while still leading assists and many other categories

would anyone favor the warriors heading into the 16' Finals if we knew in advance that MVP Curry wouldn't exist and he'd lay a massive egg instead?

Kyrie destroyed Curry heads-up, so lebron only had to outplay... Klay?.. that's an easy path.. couldn't be easier



how many wins for a team with Horace Grant as #1 option? (so everyone on the team is a worse scorer than Horace Grant)... 0 wins.. 1 maaaybe?

Love won 40..... in the West with zero help..

love was a 26/13 juggernaut and BPM king before Lebron.. he was a SOPHISTICATED big that could do everything

but lebron reduced Love to rubble..

ultimately, lebron's ball-dominance reduces teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, therefore requiring ready-made stars to win, aka team-hopping... so your goat is REQUIRED to team-hop for ready-made stars because his ball-dominant, aau skillset doesn't develop young players or brand


^^^ see that's the thing - lebron laid an egg the first 4 games (24 and 6 turnovers), which is why it went 7 despite kyrie destroying Curry.. Jordan sweeps the warriors if curry is laying an egg and Kyrie is destroying Curry like that

being the Vegas favorites does not necessarily mean being the most talented. should not be hard to figure out why that is. in fact, the Eastern conference favorites can be the title favs all the way up until the finals and then be large dogs. DUCY?

regardless its kinda dumb to use 2015 preseason odds to make an argument about the 2016 finals. ya know, a lot of basketball got played in that interim. 2 seasons!

Love has never played in a single playoff game without Lebron. he won a title alongside LEbron and went to a bunch of finals.

do you ever get tired of being laughable wrong?

^^^ not true

AD was the DPOY candidate, not Lebron... so AD is bettter on both sides of the ball...

btw, Giannis was DPOY, whereas AD handles the DPOY load for LA - so lebron was nowhere near MVP compared to Giannis...

only elite shooters like Kyrie and Mo play well alongside lebron - otherwise, lebron reduced ball-handlers or forwards like Hughes, Rose, Ingram, Jamison, Bosh, Love, IT, Crowder, Wade, Hood and more - that's a long list of good players

and AD won a game off the 18' Warriors, while lebron was swept by record amount... so lebron would've lost in the Western Playoffs, and was lucky to get a free Finals run in the East.. AD would've made the Finals in the East with a weak cast, just like AI, Kidd, Lebron and Dwight did from 01-09'.. indeed, lebron formed a super-team in a conference that weak teams were routinely winning, hence the Finals streak, aka manufactured resume, aka fraud

if you're still arguing with trainwreckog, a guy who needs serious psychological help, in 2020, you need to re-think your priorities in life.

Trainwreckdog comes here when he gets banned elsewhere.

Hahahah found him. Literally copy pastes his posts forum to forum amd he's banned over at that garbage forum.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...the-categories

Poor kid.

it wasn't just the odds

it was common knowledge and the general opinion at the time... the 15' warriors were a surprise team and klay was a 1st time all-star...

ultimately, the Cavs/Warriors were the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars (big 3's), and many people would say that kyrie > klay.... and love > dray or very comparable.

the stats support this - according to the most respected statisticians (538), the 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the best assemblage of talent since 1980, until Durant's Warriors in 17'

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif

how many wins for a team with Horace Grant as #1 option? (so everyone on the team is a worse scorer than Horace Grant)... 0 wins.. 1 maaaybe?

Love won 40..... in the West with zero help..

love was a 26/13 juggernaut and BPM king before Lebron.. he was a SOPHISTICATED big that could do everything

but lebron reduced Love to rubble..

ultimately, lebron's ball-dominance reduces teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, therefore requiring ready-made stars to win, aka team-hopping... so your goat is REQUIRED to team-hop for ready-made stars because his ball-dominant, aau skillset doesn't develop young players or brand..

I still don’t understand , so I am dumb .
But again .... you are saying basically that any other players on lakers team could be the number 3 ?

I'm basically saying that kyle kuzma sucks

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that ghoulash joint


LOLOLOLOL dude should stick to beating that high-low game instead of wasting all his time posting Jordan nonsense online.

Apparently not. Just from the last 100 posts.

Would you like me to post the 100 #lolRondos from the other thread (Rondo is killing it at the moment).

1-star teams routinely won the 00's East, so Lebron's cast was comparable to other winning 1-star casts like AI's, Kidd's, or Dwight's.. But these casts would have zero chance in the 80's East, which required an all-time team with many HOF's to win it...

the 1-star requirement of the 00's East is why lebron had higher seeds and deeper runs than 80's Jordan, in addition to a better cast..

Btw - unlike Woolridge, Pippen was lucky to arrive at a time of increased parity in the 90's, where 1 or 2-star contenders were the norm and could actually win (unlike the super-team 80's).

so Pippen is a product of timing, namely playing alongside the goat in a 2-star format (parity).. obviously, the goat + anyone will dominate a 2-star format.. mj would've destroyed 80's Bird, Isiah or Magic in a 2-star format..

We saw in 1989 how MJ nearly beat the Pistons despite Pippen's 10 on 40%... So he would've won that year with anyone OTHER than pippen, thereby proving he didn't need him... pippen's weak stats were simply inflated by the winning spotlight (from playing alongside the goat in a 2-star format, aka automatic rings)

Btw, the lower 2-star star requirement in the 90's allowed many teams to be Finals-caliber, which is a tougher path than only 2 Finals-caliber teams with "big 3's" (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors, aka free pass to Finals as the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars, aka "big 3").

You severely underrate how good were Rodman (most of all), Harper, Cartwright, Kukoc (!), etc.

MJ and Pippen were hardly playing alone. Rodman was an elite unicorn.

Harper averaged 7 ppg in 95' before mj came back - he was a defensive role player and inferior to all-defensive Danny Green and Larry Hughes... Harper was more comparable to Shumpert or RJ.

Cartwright's best year alongside Jordan was 1989 with 12/7 and 0.5 blocks - that's inferior to Shaq's 1.5 blocks and 12/7 in 2010, or all-star Zydrunas...... or Mosgov.. McGee or Chandler are superior as well... Lebron always had far better centers and rim protection than MJ

^^^ those guys are role players that every team has - they aren't stars.. the 90's was largely a 2-star format where the best teams usually had 2 stars.. guys like Harper, Kukoc or Cartwright don't begin to qualify.. Kukoc was 6MOY caliber like JR Smith whooptiwhoop or all-star Korver

ultimately, it was impossible for anyone to think MJ had a stacked cast when he was winning the title as scoring champ every year (unprecedented) and outscoring Pippen by 10-30 ppg in every series, while assisting 30% more often and getting more dpoy votes nearly every year.

Btw, Rodman was a fossil and trash, especially in 97' and 98' playoffs - he was actually the same garbage that he was in 99' for the Lakers, but no one noticed because "Da Bulls" were 3-peating and having goat team ORtg's (despite playing 4 on 5 with Rodman).. Indeed, Jordan had FOUR #1 offenses despite playing 4 on 5 with Rodman and Pippen's peak production looking like Larry Hughes
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