Exactly where you wrong ....

In before the Rockets are the new greatest superteam ever assembled so of course LeBron can't beat them. After the are on the verge of beating the other greatest superteam ever assembled so the fake GOAT couldn't beat them.

May get bailed out by CP3 being hurt

LeBron has seriously played great in every series since 2012. Same amount of time as Jordan 91-98. LeBron only has 3 titles in that span so is it teammates or competition ?Jordan won a title where he had an 18 game score for the finals. LeBron lost three where he had a 29, 24 and 22 in the Finals. Context Montreal. I know it's tough for you but you can do it.

Jordan had a weaker supporting case and weaker competition on average? You can't possibly believe that.

I'm from the Jordan generation so it's not a generational thing to me. I was a huge Jordan fan and I still have my circa 1992 Bulls Starter jacket Parka. Best christmas gift ever! I think Jordan is the current GOAT but it's really f-ing close. You can make a strong argument for either side. I think Jordan is the current GOAT but I think LeBron is the all time most valuable player in NBA history.

There is no multiple NBA champions with a support cast as weak as Mj in 90 and 91.
Find me a successful team with no better than a second at 20ppg and third option at 13 ppg and a 4th option below 10ppg...
But yeah MJ was running incredible because you know what ? Ha had to to for him to win !
Yes Jordan never had the luxury either in those years, like Lebron this year and past years, to have bad games for him to win.


Btw, if the warriors do not win this year, that would put Jordan in an a place that Lebron couldnt ever reach.
Maybe the goat team this year, and a very strong team in 2015 as well (viktor?) wont win the NBA title.
Making Jordan accomplishments ( yes its not only about talent but about if you actually succeed to be the goat btw..) even more incredible, knowing even great teams or a great players can lose.
MJ never did on multiple occasions and he won a ton !

MJ didn't win it in 90 and hand a nice cast in 91 and won it. I know english isn't your first language so excuese me but I'm consfused on the rest of your post.

Yes and Jordan with a awful team lost vs a team with 5 HoF (Larry bird celtics) on it when he scored 63 pts ?
So what?
1 game is not a serie and Lebron made a 15 ppg vs Boston missing is 2 best players this year in game 1...

Is this an argument for real?
Cause i see like...nothing meaningful .

And actually it s a big knock on Lebron performing such a low level on multiple occasion...

sorry i met 1991-1992.
Again please find me worst cast with a NBA champion team that won it twice ? i am not even sure even 1 year its possible to find one but either way he did it twice and 1993 aint even much better but scottie got better and better.

Great team and player can fail.
Example, warriors in 2016 and especially this year if they dont win.

So if a "goat" team can fail like the warriors ( well if they fail..), well Jordan accomplishments are even more incredible than what the lebron fans try to dismiss .
He never fail on multiple occasion where it is possible to fail! 6-0.
Jordan had to play great and he did and always won when he had the bare minimum with a support cast (1991-92).
And of course, by Jordan staying on his team, players just kept getting better...

Again, Lebron is great by locking down the east for a long period of time but Jordan lock the entire NBA, not just the east for a very long time as well and he never failed once he started to win.

Great point by a good commentator: Jordan actually prevented a lot of great HoF to never has chip !
And yes, if 6-0 is suppose to be easy with the best team lets say ( lebron fans argument) well no one actually did it in as a short period has MJ did, only Kareem did but with a lot more try and more often than not, he wasnt even the best player on his team when it happen.
Jordan goat!

Dude I'm not talking about him losing a series in 86 when his team was garbage. I'm not like you. I don't fault guys losing series where they have no business winning. Jordan was never beating the celtics with the squad he had so why even talk about it? just like bron was never beating spurs in 07 with the squad he had.

I guess we agree? I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make.

This kind of simplistic argument based on decontextualized statistics is why people overrate MJ. Maybe a better conclusion is that he was a ball hog and his teammates didn't get to score much because everything went through him. He was the samurai tip of the triangle or whatever. There are players whose contribution does not show up in their own ppg, but this is difficult to grasp for playstation jockeys who have never played the game.

Ok i see.
But did you forget the mavs and the spurs ?
Lebron fans says Jordan won vs an old utah team ( where Jordan was 34-35, the same age as those suppose more older players..) but says Lebron couldnt beat a 38 years old duncan but its not the same thing...

Lebron failed where Jordan would not.
And saying those lost (beside the 2007) was because he had weaker help than Jordan is ludicrous.

I agree so what?
He score and did not fail, so why should he change is way of play ?
You change your way of play if you cant win actually...
If Jordan would of fail, at least you wouldnt need to search very far to see whose responsible.
And when Jordan wasnt there to ball hog like you said, what happened ? the bulls failed...

Jordan had actually even more pressure playing like that because if he fails, no one could back him up much .
Thats how weak his support cast (91-92-93 even) was...
You say this like its a knock on him while i think its the contrary.
Never fail under pressure is a thing that not may player can do.
Lechoke.

Mavs series he played bad. No doubt about that. They obviously hadn't figured out the Alpha dynamic between Lebron and Wade and Lebron just looked lost. That was one series though and he never had that problem before or since. Stick on topic Montreal. From 2012-until now when did Lebron play a bad series? Answer is never but he only has 3 titles in that span and not 6. Jordan in his 6 full seasons from 91-98 had a whatever Finals for his standards in 96 but they still won the title. Lebron has had a couple insane Finals where they still lost. It has been a combination of his supporting cast failing him and his competition. Last Finals he had 29 game score for the series but ran up aginst KD who matched it and Curry who had a 24! Use context please. Lebron ran into a super team last year, didn't have Kyrie or Love in the Finals for 15 but still managed to be up 2-1 in the series and in 2014 Wade turned to Waids. Those aren't excuses those are just facts. Bron's 2012-2017 is closer to Jordan's 91-93 and 96-98 than you think. Jordan is GOAT but this run by Lebron is the most impressive since Jordan's two 3-peat runs.

Disregarding his success as well ( allen shot, curry hurts in 2016 with suspension of green) is no better.
Point is, it evens out on the long run when you reach multiple trips in the finals.
But Jordan never fail because he ran hot and was great !
Lebron won as much as he lost due to "life" qirks.

But I mean really, blaming or using stats on a winning team to discredit Jordan is pretty funny.

The guy is already winning but his losing because he do not score 60 points each game?

When Jordan lost he had better stats because he actually had to play his maximum.
You cant use that excuse of not scoring enough when he won for god sake...
And he was older than Lebron now with a team he help created by staying there.

And anyway, great players and teams can loses...the warriors and Lebron proved it and if Warriors loses this year well its even more evident that Jordan accomplishments is amazing even when in some years he had the best team for his second 3 peat.
Because why shouldnt Jordan benefit to have a better team if he stays in Chicago all those years and make his teammates players at the practice ?
Bird did it and Magic did it as well.
Lebron just keep hoping around, its his responsability.

Wow! There's hope for you yet Montreal!

Lebron has series where he's lost where he's played substantially better than Jordan did while still winning.

There's a **** ton of luck in Jordan going 6-0, since you all pretend 95 didn't happen

And Jordan did much better playoffs performance than Lebron did when he lost in the first round...
So what ? They both freakin lost and did not win due to lack of support or w.e
And still Jordan always was the mvp, being the best in any case.
the guy is mvp but not mvp enough to be has good has ?
come on..


The guy left for almost 2 years and came back for 17 games...
If you think thats the Jordan we know its stupid...
At the level they play, you cant just turn off a switch and be consistent beast mode every game.
Any "real" athletes knows this.
And he proved it when he swept them the next year and did another 3 peat preventing HoF to have rings in their entire career.

You give too much credit to luck.
1 year ok, 2 maybe,3 very unlikely, not 6 !

This stuff is funny. Our excuses and rationale are crap but every time you have a very similar excuse for jordan we have to let it fly. You’re literally a level one thinker.

You continually ignore that despite how little pippen seamingly scores he was a top 3 defender in the league the entire run and arguably the best wing defender all time. But that doesn’t come up in Ppg, so I have to ignore the fact that he was an mvp candidate multiple times with and without Jordan or the face that yes his ppg dropped but he was still able to contribute not only with his d but his passing skills.

You’re not a real athlete. You’re an arm chair qb and a bad one at it since you don’t seem to watch games nor understand them at all. Stop posting until you learn English or basketball or both.

are you just some sort of free association bot?

Do the laslappys realize that if Houston or Boston wins any of the next 4 games, Labron is forever out of the GOAT debate?

If Boston wins the series, that means Labron lost to a scrub team without any recognizable elite players. Pathetic.

If Houston wins, then the "Labron is goat because he beat the warriors" logic is invalidated. That supposedly goat team added KD, then lost to another team.

What happens if he wins? Will you suck him off? Will you stop posting forever? I'm not sure how that world might be. You should have stopped posting this dumb ass crap after 2016 but you didn't. So I guess things will never change.

also I love the narrative that curry was hurt. ya, the guy who put up 34.5 pts a game an 626TS in the conf semis and then 27.9 on 612 in the conf finals was just so injured.

why are you so bad at facts lol?

facts don't fit in his narrative.