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Originally Posted by borg23
I'm curious - how long exactly was he supposed to rot in Cleveland
Lebron was never rotting in Cleveland - he simply wasn't good enough to win with more scoring options than the 1st three-peat Bulls and better team defenses.
History shows that Jamison was a better scorer than Pippen but played 3rd option for the 2010 Cavs, while the team had better defensive ranking than the 1st three-peat Bulls as well... And the Cavs had better defensive ranking in 2007 too, which was long before Lebron became an all-defensive player, so they always had tons of defensive help and more scoring options... Meanwhile, Mike Brown is a historic defensive coach.
Accordingly, Lebron needed to wait 1 more year because there was a 1-star organic chip up for grabs in 2011 that Dirk grabbed, but the Cavs would've had the long-standing chemistry and reputed defense to easily destroy Dirk and Jason Terry.. The heat were missing these things (defense, chemistry) but the Cavs had them in spades.
Btw, organic winners like Giannis, Jokic, Curry or MJ had "normal" casts with one secondary producer like Klay, Middleton, Pippen or Murray - why can't Lebron win with these kinds of "normal" casts instead of putting
multiple opposing franchise players on his team?
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Originally Posted by borg23
I'm curious - how long exactly was he supposed to rot in Cleveland
2009 MO WILLIAMS........... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48...,,..
#3 team defense
1990 PIPPEN....................... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48.....
#19 team defense
SO IT'S STATISTICAL FACT that the Cavs had better help on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat Lebron to titles by winning the following year in 91', while Lebron kept losing as the favorite despite adding Jamsion/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite or forming a super-team.
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Originally Posted by borg23
I'm curious - how long exactly was he supposed to rot in Cleveland
Don't be ashamed for Lebron because Jordan always won with what lebron couldn't:
09' Mo Will vs #4 SRS Magic'.............. 18 on 38%........ #3 team defense
89' Pippen' vs #1 SRS Cavs................. 15 on 40%...... #11 team defense
97' Pippen' vs #4 SRS Heat................. 16 on 39%........ #4 team defense
98' Pippen' vs #4 SRS Pacers.............. 17 on 39%........ #9 team defense
98' Pippen' vs #3 SRS Jazz'.................. 16 on 41%........ #9 team defense
96-98' Pippen entire playoffs.............. 18 on 41%....... #1, #4, #9 defenses
^^^ Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick, while Jordan did all the time and with worse team defenses than Lebron had
TLDR: Jordan beat better teams than the 09' Magic with worse defenses than the 09' Cavs and less offensive help
Again, great shooters and offensive players allow GM's to fill out the team with cheap defenders, so guys like MJ and Curry give teams better defenses than bricklayers like Pippen, who require expensive offensive help.. Pippen needed guys like Kukoc, Kerr and Paxson, who couldn't play defense.
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