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LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163 LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163
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Today , 12:34 AM
He's doing a great job at turning everyone who's not an MJ-diehard onto the LeBron side.

That's the one thing he's done well.
LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163 Quote
Today , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23

I'm curious - how long exactly was he supposed to rot in Cleveland


Lebron was never rotting in Cleveland - he simply wasn't good enough to win with more scoring options than the 1st three-peat Bulls and better team defenses.

History shows that Jamison was a better scorer than Pippen but played 3rd option for the 2010 Cavs, while the team had better defensive ranking than the 1st three-peat Bulls as well... And the Cavs had better defensive ranking in 2007 too, which was long before Lebron became an all-defensive player, so they always had tons of defensive help and more scoring options... Meanwhile, Mike Brown is a historic defensive coach.

Accordingly, Lebron needed to wait 1 more year because there was a 1-star organic chip up for grabs in 2011 that Dirk grabbed, but the Cavs would've had the long-standing chemistry and reputed defense to easily destroy Dirk and Jason Terry.. The heat were missing these things (defense, chemistry) but the Cavs had them in spades.

Btw, organic winners like Giannis, Jokic, Curry or MJ had "normal" casts with one secondary producer like Klay, Middleton, Pippen or Murray - why can't Lebron win with these kinds of "normal" casts instead of putting multiple opposing franchise players on his team?



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Originally Posted by borg23

I'm curious - how long exactly was he supposed to rot in Cleveland


2009 MO WILLIAMS........... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48...,,.. #3 team defense
1990 PIPPEN....................... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48..... #19 team defense


SO IT'S STATISTICAL FACT that the Cavs had better help on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat Lebron to titles by winning the following year in 91', while Lebron kept losing as the favorite despite adding Jamsion/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite or forming a super-team.



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Originally Posted by borg23

I'm curious - how long exactly was he supposed to rot in Cleveland


Don't be ashamed for Lebron because Jordan always won with what lebron couldn't:

09' Mo Will vs #4 SRS Magic'.............. 18 on 38%........ #3 team defense

89' Pippen' vs #1 SRS Cavs................. 15 on 40%...... #11 team defense
97' Pippen' vs #4 SRS Heat................. 16 on 39%........ #4 team defense
98' Pippen' vs #4 SRS Pacers.............. 17 on 39%........ #9 team defense
98' Pippen' vs #3 SRS Jazz'.................. 16 on 41%........ #9 team defense

96-98' Pippen entire playoffs.............. 18 on 41%....... #1, #4, #9 defenses

^^^ Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick, while Jordan did all the time and with worse team defenses than Lebron had

TLDR: Jordan beat better teams than the 09' Magic with worse defenses than the 09' Cavs and less offensive help

Again, great shooters and offensive players allow GM's to fill out the team with cheap defenders, so guys like MJ and Curry give teams better defenses than bricklayers like Pippen, who require expensive offensive help.. Pippen needed guys like Kukoc, Kerr and Paxson, who couldn't play defense.
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Last edited by fallguy; Today at 12:54 AM.
LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163 Quote
Today , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
I don't believe fallguy actually believes what he's posting now.

History is on my side.

Lebron has a history of bad fits and inferior brand of ball compared to the teams he loses to (Spurs, Warriors, Nuggets, Magic, Mavs)

Lebron's team was never considered the "smart" team, while the teams that beat him were considered the "smart" teams that "played the right way"... Never Lebron's teams.

There's a reason why the 09' Cavs won more games than Lebron's super-teams - it's because the 09' team had organic CHEMISTRY... Unfortunately, Lebron gave up on climbing the chemistry learning curve (organic) and opted for a talent-based approach, so every loss is blamed on needing more help.

Otoh, if MJ or Jokic loses, it's because they aren't goat and simply didn't develop a good enough team (chemistry-based winning), but when Lebron loses, it's because he didn't have enough help (talent-based winning).. Clearly, Lebron is the fraud amongst this group - the talent-based winner that never really learned how to win (chemistry, organic)..

Lebron never evolved out of AAU ball-dominance, so he never had a #1 offense in 21 years and routinely has inferior brand of ball to the top playoff opponents.. It's impossible for coaches to build a great brand of ball or ball movement (high assist teams) around his skillset.. 21 years confirms that frontcourt ball-dominance is the worst kind of ball-dominance - literally the worst brand of ball in history that produces lottery records on the championship level.
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LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163 Quote

      
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