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Old 01-16-2013, 10:57 PM   #901
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Re: Manti Te'o: rut roh

I'd still draft him in the first round.

What's the worst he can do? Fake make it rain at a strip club, fake drunk driving, fake kill a hooker??
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:57 PM   #902
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I think there's lots of different things I can buy into in regards to Teo actually being innocent here. The problem is that all of them revolve around a girl spending years of her life on the phone with him just to play a joke. How is that even possible? She didn't even try to get money or anything.
Right. Person decides to play the long con on a relatively unknown Notre Dame linebacker for what reason? Huh? No, just no
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:58 PM   #903
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U really believe that this was a hoax from his friend? He had to be on the phone all those hours with someone. He had to fake meet someone in Hawaii.
Not really, but I can come up with a scenario where it's not insanely absurd.

But the issue with the girl still remains. Someone spent HOURS AND HOURS working on this hoax for absolutely no reason. She didn't even TRY to embarass him or get money from him, she killed herself off!
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:58 PM   #904
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I'd still draft him in the first round.

What's the worst he can do? Fake make it rain at a strip club, fake drunk driving, fake kill a hooker??
Well...you could actually draft him in the 1st round then put him on the football field hoping for a stud MLB. That would probably be the worst he could do.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:59 PM   #905
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Re: Manti Te'o: rut roh

Incredible job by deadspin

Says everything terrible about main stream sports media. Incredible no one even looked deeper than the absolute surface of this story.

ND handling it awful so at least there is something familiar about this crazy story
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:59 PM   #906
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They should make a choose your own adventure book, about Manti trying to get out of this situation.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:59 PM   #907
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How did he find out that she died?
the dead girls brother called him
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Why didn't he go to the funeral?
Had a football practice/game that weekend iirc.
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Why did his dad say he met her?
family had never met her but were planning to around Thanksgiving. Obviously some extremely fuzzy details the father had provided though.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:59 PM   #908
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Re: Manti Te'o: rut roh

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Watched all of Notre Dame AD's Q&A on Te'o. Bought some of what he said, but much didn't add up. Saving my issues for tomorrow 10am E, ESPN2

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:59 PM   #909
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Not really, but I can come up with a scenario where it's not insanely absurd.

But the issue with the girl still remains. Someone spent HOURS AND HOURS working on this hoax for absolutely no reason. She didn't even TRY to embarass him or get money from him, she killed herself off!
in before "Te'o was such a beacon of God that she changed her evil ways and tried to leave the situation without incident"
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:00 PM   #910
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Riverman... he didn't go to the funeral bc they were playing Michigan that weekend. Duh.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:01 PM   #911
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The SEC crowd backing out on the thread title bet is every bit as real as Manti's girlfriend.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:01 PM   #912
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Watched all of Notre Dame AD's Q&A on Te'o. Bought some of what he said, but much didn't add up. Saving my issues for tomorrow 10am E, ESPN2

I'd rather burn in hell for eternity than watch a second of this
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:02 PM   #913
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U really believe that this was a hoax from his friend? He had to be on the phone all those hours with someone. He had to fake meet someone in Hawaii.
Third option is it was a hoax by his friend and he told everyone about her and his friends is like "GOTCHA!" and Manti is like "Ah crap I'm going to look so stupid. Unless....I talk to her all the time. But she died."
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:03 PM   #914
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Re: Manti Te'o: rut roh

So how big of a story is this if it was all a cover for Manti and Tebow dating and the Jets knew which allowed them to keep Tebow on the bench and still keep him quiet?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:03 PM   #915
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Third option is it was a hoax by his friend and he told everyone about her and his friends is like "GOTCHA!" and Manti is like "Ah crap I'm going to look so stupid. Unless....I talk to her all the time. But she died."
I think this is an option too. He had a relationship for a short period of time, told too many people, then found out he was being scammed, and was afraid to reveal everything in fear of what just happened.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:04 PM   #916
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I think this is an option too. He had a relationship for a short period of time, told too many people, then found out he was being scammed, and was afraid to reveal everything in fear of what just happened.
Yeah. I feel like this is maybe the optimal outcome for him? Because the other 2 extremes are either he's incredibly stupid or he's malicious.

Although this could also be the worst, because now he looks stupid AND malicious. lol.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:04 PM   #917
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Notre Dame AD claimed there was a thread on a message board somewhere where multiple people were in on the hoax. How does no one ever trainwreck the situation over a year+?

THE INTERNET HOW DOES IT WORK
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:04 PM   #918
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@JimmyKingman: NFC Scout on Manti Te'o: "We likely will just cross him off our big board altogether."
Really hope it's the Saints.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:04 PM   #919
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The story unravels with level one logic. How did he find out that she died? Why didn't he go to the funeral? Why did his dad say he met her? Why is the most popular football player at Notre Dame going online to find girls? When exactly did these 8 hour phone conversations occur? Can we see the phone records? Etc.
All these questions are pretty easily answered from the "hoax happened and he ran with it in his mind" perspective - the bolded especially is one reason why I find it hard to believe he made up the hoax. Why is the most popular football player at Notre Dame evilly concocting this entire story over many years, publicly attaching himself to her, and depriving himself of college women? There are a lot of reasons why maybe, but it makes it more likely to me that it was real in his own mind, even if he was all too happy to ham it up in the interviews.

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I think there's lots of different things I can buy into in regards to Teo actually being innocent here. The problem is that all of them revolve around a girl spending years of her life on the phone with him just to play a joke. How is that even possible? She didn't even try to get money or anything.
Conversations greatly exaggerated.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:05 PM   #920
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This absolutely.

I doubt this was his main goal, though. I think his main goal was just to be able to believe he had some super special relationship with some super special girl and tell himself that. The kind of guy who puts a girl on a massive pedestal and gets off on worshipping her even if it's some completely bogus relationship and he doesn't know anything about her. It's all fantasyland and he intentionally built it way, way up, and yes compulsively lied about it to tell the story.

But I bet it's true that it started as a hoax and he legitimately thought he was in a relationship with a real person.
I actually think this is a legit possibility. People are acting like him lying about the relationship and him being a victim of a hoax are mutually exclusive, but they're not. He obviously lied. A lot. He'd certainly have to be a bit of a weirdo psychopath to build it up as far as he did, but maybe it really did all start with his friend playing a really sick prank on him.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:06 PM   #921
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Yeah. I feel like this is maybe the optimal outcome for him? Because the other 2 extremes are either he's incredibly stupid or he's malicious.

Although this could also be the worst, because now he looks stupid AND malicious. lol.
so why didn't he just say, "hey guys, we broke up" at which point no one would care and he could move on? he bathed himself in national sympathy.

also, it was skipped earlier, but was Teo the player rumored to have been involved in the rape + suicide of a girl from a nearby school? think it happened in his sophomore year, and I can't find any information online incriminating anyone...though for some reason I recall his name being thrown.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:06 PM   #922
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Re: Manti Te'o: rut roh

Most obv. questions ever to ask Teo: Did you ever mail any gifts to your "girlfriend"? What was the address? Were you facebook friends with your "girlfriend."
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:08 PM   #923
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Not really, but I can come up with a scenario where it's not insanely absurd.

But the issue with the girl still remains. Someone spent HOURS AND HOURS working on this hoax for absolutely no reason. She didn't even TRY to embarass him or get money from him, she killed herself off!
3 year scam run by lance armstrong ldo
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:08 PM   #924
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What will be really hilarious is Te'o will probably make the right choice to admit he's gay and then when he's drafted in the 4th round correctly there will be a huge controversy that he dropped from a top 5 pick to the 4th round because he was gay and the NFL is homophobic. The fact that he's a not especially athletic middle linebacker who was exposed as being unable to tackle or cover will hardly be mentioned.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:08 PM   #925
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Notre Dame AD claimed there was a thread on a message board somewhere where multiple people were in on the hoax. How does no one ever trainwreck the situation over a year?

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the length/timeline is definitely crazy from all perspectives. a hoax doesn't have that patience from either side. it started way too early and didn't progress quickly enough for manti. it's probably the strongest piece of evidence for gay because at least then there's a reason to have it statically in place for a while with nothing happening.
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