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Old 01-24-2013, 05:09 PM   #3026
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Re: Manti Ruh R'oh - Getting Real Creepy Real Quick

yea it was ok , katie grilled him on some stuff . he didnt make much sense on why he lied to his father about meeting her after she stood him up ...he said it would have raised red flags for his father but somehow didnt raise any red flags for hmself .
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:12 PM   #3027
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"I was never asked 'Did you ever see her in person?'"

What a ****ing joke.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:13 PM   #3028
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somebody who's paying close attention want to estimate what the vegas odds would be on these possible scenarios reflecting the truth?

1) Te'o talked for hours with RT believing him to be Kekua
2) Te'o talked for hours with RT because they are ghey together
3) Phone records are fudged
It's not just the phone records that have been fudged.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:14 PM   #3029
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yea it was ok , katie grilled him on some stuff . he didnt make much sense on why he lied to his father about meeting her after she stood him up ...he said it would have raised red flags for his father but somehow didnt raise any red flags for hmself .
More like rainbow flags.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:16 PM   #3030
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Tuiasosopo has been odds-on to be gay from the beginning, not sure there are any "latent" homoerotic desires. The Te'o-is-secretly-gay theory pretty much presupposes Tuiasosopo's homosexuality, for example.
BINGO probably
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:22 PM   #3031
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Probably been posted before but:

"sup bro, im alive !"

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Old 01-24-2013, 05:26 PM   #3032
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Remember when that agent came out after being busted and "told all"? Remember him saying Mel Kiper would hype players based on his relationship with their agents and I am getting that feeling here.

T'eo with #6 Overall Ranking

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His season didn't end on a high note, but evaluators know him well and see him as a player with a high floor. Has exceptional instincts, a ton of experience and reads the game well. Can attack the backfield. Was second nationally in INTs, an impressive mark for an LB. With off-the-charts intangibles, he is the future leader of an NFL defense.
Update, still #6 Ranking

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In talking to NFL evaluators and looking at this weird saga myself, there's basically no reason yet to change this evaluation. Te'o is almost certain to drop some simply on positional value, which matters more at this point than his date with Katie Couric. He has exceptional football instincts, a ton of experience and can both attack the backfield to make stops as well as get to the edges. Was second nationally in INTs, an impressive mark for a LB.
6 seems high regardless after terrible game against Alabama, but part of reasoning is "off-the-charts intangibles, he is the future leader of an NFL defense," and this happens and that doesn't change his rating at all? C'mon. I mean I could see a scout saying it doesn't change the rating, but that is only if they didn't have him ranked that high to begin with. And making a big deal out of his INTs doesn't seem like something a talent evaluator would do.

And will almost certainly drop on positional value, isn't positional value factored in the ratings? Seems like he is just buying himself an out ahead of time if/when T'eo is a late first rounder at best.

Edit: And forgot about the exceptional instincts part, know someone here did a "scouting report" of some of his game film and they said it was obvious that just the opposite was true.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:30 PM   #3033
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Those voicemails are incredible. WOW

Katie Couric trying to maintain her image of being a tough interviewer by asking the gay question is so lol.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:31 PM   #3034
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If someone told me about a movie with this premise I would tell them that it was silly and would never happen in the real world. Those voicemails are creepy yo.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:34 PM   #3035
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If Lenny took T'eo for booster money then they don't even have to pay him off...he gets no charges pressed and keeps the money and ND prevents sanctions
Prolly should fit UFOs in there somewhere brah

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yea it was ok , katie grilled him on some stuff . he didnt make much sense on why he lied to his father about meeting her after she stood him up ...he said it would have raised red flags for his father but somehow didnt raise any red flags for hmself .
This always seemed like one of the most believable defenses to the Te'o inconsistencies. 21 year old kid lying to dad about something involving girl in order to not have to answer more questions probably one of the more standard things in this crazy story.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:41 PM   #3036
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Remember when that agent came out after being busted and "told all"? Remember him saying Mel Kiper would hype players based on his relationship with their agents and I am getting that feeling here.

T'eo with #6 Overall Ranking



Update, still #6 Ranking



6 seems high regardless after terrible game against Alabama, but part of reasoning is "off-the-charts intangibles, he is the future leader of an NFL defense," and this happens and that doesn't change his rating at all? C'mon. I mean I could see a scout saying it doesn't change the rating, but that is only if they didn't have him ranked that high to begin with. And making a big deal out of his INTs doesn't seem like something a talent evaluator would do.

And will almost certainly drop on positional value, isn't positional value factored in the ratings? Seems like he is just buying himself an out ahead of time if/when T'eo is a late first rounder at best.

Edit: And forgot about the exceptional instincts part, know someone here did a "scouting report" of some of his game film and they said it was obvious that just the opposite was true.
I don't think this incident will have any impact on his draft stock at all. Kiper's rankings are based on who he thinks the best players are, not who he thinks will be drafted first.

The whole concept of this being a distraction is kind of ridiculous. There are distractions in every single locker room around the league. Chad Ochocinco was a distraction for a decade. Dez Bryant smacked around his Mom. A Cowboy died during the season(they got better). A chief killed himself during the season(they stayed the same). Rex Ryan is a distraction. Tebow is a distraction. Roethlisberger keeps raping people. How many DWI's are there a year? 20? 50? If Te'o is good at football his intangibles and leadership qualities are going to be just fine. If he's not good at football nobody will give a **** about him and they will be irrelevant.

As to the whole "instincts" thing. You'll have to excuse me but I think I'm going to take Kiper's word over some guy on 2p2. Not to say I think Te'o should be #6, or he has exceptional instincts, but I have no real issue with him being there if someone with way more game tape and way more experience says so.

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Old 01-24-2013, 05:49 PM   #3037
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I've been kinda out of the loop on this story for the past few days, but here's my question:

Why would they give a spreadsheet of his phone logs and not the actual phone bill? Isn't this a major red flag?
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:06 PM   #3038
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I don't think this incident will have any impact on his draft stock at all. Kiper's rankings are based on who he thinks the best players are, not who he thinks will be drafted first.

The whole concept of this being a distraction is kind of ridiculous. There are distractions in every single locker room around the league. Chad Ochocinco was a distraction for a decade. Dez Bryant smacked around his Mom. A Cowboy died during the season(they got better). A chief killed himself during the season(they stayed the same). Rex Ryan is a distraction. Tebow is a distraction. Roethlisberger keeps raping people. How many DWI's are there a year? 20? 50? If Te'o is good at football his intangibles and leadership qualities are going to be just fine. If he's not good at football nobody will give a **** about him and they will be irrelevant.

As to the whole "instincts" thing. You'll have to excuse me but I think I'm going to take Kiper's word over some guy on 2p2. Not to say I think Te'o should be #6, or he has exceptional instincts, but I have no real issue with him being there if someone with way more game tape and way more experience says so.
Its not that he is a distraction. Sure, if he is really talented, he can still produce. But don't know how you can say that the facts we have now don't drastically affect the likelihood that this statement is true.

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With off-the-charts intangibles, he is the future leader of an NFL defense.
Whatever BS that was based on in the first place, surely has to be reevaluated now, right? And if you were giving him a boost for that before, shouldn't you drop him at least one spot after?
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:08 PM   #3039
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At this point, there's no reason for Te'o to not just come out as gay -- whether or not he's straight. Better than "I'm straight, but fell for a dude disguising his voice as a girl" because then you get teased for being gay; if he actually comes out as gay, there will be protections against mistreatment granted toward him, no?

It's his last shot, now, at marketability off the field.
I doubt if there are any protections. Is there a single openly gay man in the NFL?
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:08 PM   #3040
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Its not that he is a distraction. Sure, if he is really talented, he can still produce. But don't know how you can say that the facts we have now don't drastically affect the likelihood that this statement is true.



Whatever BS that was based on in the first place, surely has to be reevaluated now, right? And if you were giving him a boost for that before, shouldn't you drop him at least one spot after?
I genuinely don't think it has hardly any impact at all. If he's a good football player, people will listen to him, and none of this ever goes beyond some teasing that has no impact on anything.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:17 PM   #3041
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Prolly should fit UFOs in there somewhere brah
Yeah, cause it's so outrageous that he was asked for money and so outrageous that he had money because of boosters or other under the table methods
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:03 PM   #3042
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Yeah, cause it's so outrageous that he was asked for money and so outrageous that he had money because of boosters or other under the table methods
Outrageous is your word. It's a theory that is based on zero substance whatsoever though. Probably unfair to UFOs tbh
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:17 PM   #3043
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cliffs of last 1500 posts?
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:19 PM   #3044
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Gay.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:19 PM   #3045
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:24 PM   #3046
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1. For some reason Manti didn't delete Lenny's voicemails.
2. The voicemails sound like a chick (linked above from Deadspin)
3. It's all very creepy and disturbing to think about and especially to listen to.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:24 PM   #3047
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“It was Ronaiah as Lennay.”

That's what I was waiting for.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:35 PM   #3048
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Joe Flacco is pretty good at football after all.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:40 PM   #3049
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Can't wait until the girl teo paid to make these voicemails breaks her silence.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:43 PM   #3050
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As to the whole "instincts" thing. You'll have to excuse me but I think I'm going to take Kiper's word over some guy on 2p2. Not to say I think Te'o should be #6, or he has exceptional instincts, but I have no real issue with him being there if someone with way more game tape and way more experience says so.
You can see for yourself.
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