Logical proof that assisted fg% is a function of offensive scheme and role within that scheme, and is not a skillset limited statistic.

All the starters is a massive sample of the most pertinent players, and we've done it for the entire team anyway by showing that Lebron and ALL high-scoring ball-dominators in history produce low-assist teams (low average ranking and almost never top 5 assist teams).

Specifically, since possession-tracking began in 1997, there were 96 times that a player averaged 25+ with below 40% assisted rate in a season, and they averaged 18th in team assists over this huge sample and produced a top 5 assist team 5 of 96 times (5%).. Otoh, players that averaged 25+ with above 50% assisted rate averaged 10th in assists and produced a top 5 assist team 36 of 87 times (41%).

Remember, you said he said this. Don’t change the words now.

Don’t forget to include the mathematical proof that one cannot compensate by increasing pace and number of possessions. Or that the ball cannot be moved around more to give other players assisted field goals. Don’t forget those parts of the proof.

MJ and Curry are elite with the ball, so they could play a ball-dominant offense, but the issue is that Lebron, Luka and other ball-dominators cannot play a ball movement offense - they cannot have the 50% assisted rate that you specified above.

In the hundreds of seasons that ball-dominators like Luka, Trae, Wall, Lebron and company have played, they've never averaged 50% assisted rate.. And that's why they can't play with great ball movement of "dynasty" ball.. That's why they've never been the 1st option for the best basketball, such as dynasties or dominant champions (0 for 12).

I did not see Luc Longley on there, he was a starter, and he had by far the biggest drop with Jordan returning. Why did you leave him out? Just curious.

When I provide proof that fidstar agreed with me, then you'll be wrong on that just like you've been wrong about everything.

False. We have proven that assisted rate is a function of role within the offense so LeBron, Luka etc would have a higher assisted % if they didn’t play point. They played point though because they are good at it, and the coach felt that was the most valuable use of their skills. Not that they couldn’t do other things. Your logic is still backwards. Want to try again?

Be careful to use his exact words and not to add any of your interpretation to it. Don’t forget to note any sarcasm.

Luc Longley averaged 2.1 assists in Chicago, and 1.1 in Phoenix, and 0.9 in MIN... so you're wrong again as always.

But you're just trying to deflect from the fact that we've done it for the entire team by showing that Lebron and ALL high-scoring ball-dominators in history produce low-assist teams (low average ranking and almost never top 5 assist teams).

Specifically, since possession-tracking began in 1997, there were 96 times that a player averaged 25+ with below 40% assisted rate in a season, and they averaged 18th in team assists over this huge sample and produced a top 5 assist team 5 of 96 times (5%).. Otoh, players that averaged 25+ with above 50% assisted rate averaged 10th in assists and produced a top 5 assist team 36 of 87 times (41%).

Poster trainwreckog agreeing with me. This whole thing of “finding old posts agreeing with me” thing is fun. Looks like fallguy lost lmfao. Good night.

Luka, Lebron, Trae, Wall and others can only play like low-assisted point guards because that's their skillset and they've never played any other way.. They never had 50% assisted rates required for dynasties, dominant champions or high-assist teams (high average ranking and top 5 assist teams regularly).

That was me saying what Seadood was thinking... you're desperate.

A coach would never make Shaq shoot threes just like a coach would never make Lebron or Luka play off-ball and have 50% assisted rates.... Accordingly, these things have never happened and never would happen... The players simply don't have the skills and it's common knowledge.

^^^ there it is Matt.... You lost.... Thread Cliffs will be posted below.

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Thread Cliffs

Elite strategy and elite roster construction is impossible with high-scoring ball-handlers like Lebron, Luka, Trae, etc because they turn everyone into spot-up shooter - they reduce everyone's assists (playmaking) while increasing their assisted rate (play-finishing), which produces low assist teams (low average ranking)... See the stats for Lebron lowering everyone's assists on the previous page, along with the low team assist rankings of ball-dominators.

The inability to construct elite rosters and elite strategy around them is why ball-dominators have never been the 1st option for the best basketball, such as dynasties or dominant champions (0 for 12).. Since ball-dominators can't produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can, such as bigs and jumpshooters (12 for 12).. This is a legitimate framework that puts Lebron out of the top ten all-time.