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Originally Posted by borg23
nobody gives a rat's ass about the Lakers winning tonight as far as this topic goes. Nobody who thinks Lebron is better thinks this game helps their case at all. It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But you thinking getting swept in the finals with a heap of **** team in 2007 is a knock on Lebron is mid 2000's level Chappelle funny.
The fact you even mention 39 year old Lebron in this context is really funny. Kobe was a washed up chucking bum at 36. Jordan at this age was way worse than Lebron. I still think Jordan's prime is better than Lebron's but Lebron being better at 39 than Jordan (lmao @even mentioning Kobe in the same breath at Lebron at this age or frankly any age) doesn't somehow help your argument.
Like yea we get it you don't like Lebron. Nobody cares. You think you have these amazing "gotcha" points when you try to compare him at 39 to Jokic in his prime. I hate to break it to you but prime Jokic would abuse old man Wizards Jordan and he could be **** faced drunk of his ass and abuse 36 (yes 3 years younger) Kobe left handed.
Here are the sobering facts - MJ needed nothing to win 40 games in 1987, while Lebron needed the East all-star center to win 40 in 2005.
Jordan also needed nothing and no coaching to win 50 in 88', while the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas won 50 in by adding a HOF coach and 22/5/5 1st team defender in 06'.
Hughes was healthy for most of 07' and all of 08', yet the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas could only win 45 games with him in 08' before Lebron received the all-star spacing that his stiff arm needed in 09' to be MVP and have a real contender.
And yes, 22 on 35% is disqualifying - the fact that a 22 on 35% player won the East shows that it didn't take a goat-level player to win it and we already saw Iverson, Dwight and Kidd win with 1-star teams.. Furthermore, the 22 on 35% is especially disqualifying because this performance was validated by Lebron doing the same thing in 08' against the Celtics (26 on 35%) - so he simply wasn't capable of performing against championship comp at that age, which makes MJ and others vastly superior at that age..
Heck, Lebron gets a pass for being 22 and 23 years old, but then people give him props for beating 23-year old Westbrick and KD in 2012.. Infact, it's disqualifying for a veteran super-team to be underdogs to baby Westbrick.. Accordingly, history confirms that Lebron underperforms favored talent by losing with preseason favorites or falling to underdog for 6 straight years (2011-2016), except the Allen miracle... And then losing with preseason favorite again in 2021...
It's objective fact that preseason favorites are favored talent, so losing with them is losing with favored talent - that's what Bron-ball does for 21 years and counting... And don't blame age because PRIME LEBRON barely won 50 with 2 all-stars in 14' or 17' - having weak teams with preseason favorites and stacked rosters is disqualifying.. Mostly losing with 2 star teammates is disqualifying when MJ was unbeatable with just 1.