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Not even sure this is wrong. Would depend what point it is in the game. If there's plenty of time left, them scoring two FGs and two TDs seems a more likely scenario than three straight TDs. Particularly given the tendency of coaches to sendoutthekickingteam.jpg

It was sometime late in the third quarter. The 2-pt conversion seemed obvious in that spot. No way Stanford marches three times.

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11-13-2011 , 01:45 AM

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The variable of players doing something they normally dont do has to count for something. I have 1 Bengals Titans 2:12 Titans out of Timeouts Bengals up 4 3rd and 8 Titans 21. They run. Shouldnt they have threw to try and seal the game.

ya i was yelling at my tv

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11-13-2011 , 01:45 AM

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No way they shut out Oregon the rest of the way either. 1 point is fine there.

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11-13-2011 , 09:45 AM

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Guy at a party complained to me that he lost with Nebraska by half a point because "the stupid coach was on Penn St.'s 20 with a minute left and went for it on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the fg to go up 6". I smiled inside.

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Notre Dame just called timeout after a completed pass to set up 3rd and goal from the 7 with 55 seconds left in half-- Seriously, are you trying to give maryland a possession before the half? Run it down to 20 and call timeout. They still have another one so 0% chance of running out of time. Horrendous. Then they take another TO with 34 seconds left on the 1. This is actually correct because if you don't get in you force maryland to run a play and your equity of getting a safety if you don't get in>everything else. Really maryland should have started calling timeouts as soon as it was 1st and goal with 1:30 left. (Actually arguably not before 1st down since less time comes off clock in college but still.

Chilly could beat maryland with a high school team

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11-13-2011 , 10:11 AM

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Why no discussion about Oregon going for 2 after their first touchdown? I'm not saying it was stupid but it was a curious decision.

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11-13-2011 , 10:26 AM

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They actually do that pretty frequently. Usually they line up to see if there's a mismatch somewhere and kick if everythings covered, but last night looked a little more planned.

I know this thread has turned more into 'discuss coaching decisions' but I don't see how going for two on a first touchdown can ever be that terrible. Plus with the ducks offense, they're probably 50%+ so why not.

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11-13-2011 , 11:09 AM

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Ducks have gone for 2 on pretty much every first td this year, I always wonder why they bother to even kick PAT's.

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11-13-2011 , 11:19 AM

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Ducks have gone for 2 on pretty much every first td this year, I always wonder why they bother to even kick PAT's.

Hmm... If they do it that often, it seems more likely that they should have gone for a conversion in the third too.

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11-13-2011 , 11:21 AM

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No way they shut out Oregon the rest of the way either. 1 point is fine there.

Yeah, it's obv fine as the win equity only changes like .1% at most, but I still think going up by 21 is better.

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11-13-2011 , 12:01 PM

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When Oregon lines up and doesn't like what they're seeing from defense on their two point conversion what do they do?

Let clock run and get 5yd penalty/bring on the kicking team?

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11-13-2011 , 12:08 PM

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They just shift over and kick. They try to line up quickly so there's time to choose and their kicking team has some good runners and tight end types and a holder who can throw.

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11-13-2011 , 12:12 PM

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Dabo and Jim Grobe are trying to out tard each other with their end of game clock management. Clemson lined up for a go ahead field goal with 1:30 to go and the clock running. Wake Forest failed to use one of their 3 timeouts. The clock was stopped due to a measurement, but when it restarted, Clemson took five seconds off the clock before kicking, giving an extra ~20 seconds for Wakes game tying drive. They ended up missing the chip shot anyways, but god, these coaches are the worst

Also, didn't mention they kicked the 30 yard FG on 1st down!

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11-13-2011 , 12:16 PM

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So they have their kicker on the field in the 2pt conversion?

In madden when I bet on a game i always lined up for 2, and did constant audibles until it looked like I could get an easy score ... If it doesn't look great ever then kick a still gimme field goal un rushed 5 yds back

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11-13-2011 , 12:43 PM

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Stanford cutting the lead to 13 with 10:00 left and not kicking onside.

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11-13-2011 , 01:22 PM

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Ducks have gone for 2 on pretty much every first td this year, I always wonder why they bother to even kick PAT's.

The stat after they did that said they were 3 of 4 in 2 point conversions, so they obviously don't do that on every first TD.

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4 of 5 on the year and they do it usually when scoring 1st td of the game. They have played 10 games and did not score first in at least 2 of those games.

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11-13-2011 , 02:09 PM

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lol refs, throw flag, realize its on the steelers, don't call penalty

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11-13-2011 , 02:10 PM

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Also, didn't mention they kicked the 30 yard FG on 1st down!

4th and 1 according to the pbp, even Dabo's not that dumb

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11-13-2011 , 02:12 PM

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Boise State's Chris Peterson playing for the field goal to win.

Down by one, 3rd and 5 on the TCU 20 with 0:21 left and holding a timeout, he calls Kellen Moore (senior Heisman Trophy multiple-year contending all time winning-est FBS quarterback) to roll-out to the middle of the field and go down so they can have their terrible kicker attempt to win the game at what is a challenging distance for him.

This would be the 5th field goal he had attempted all season, and the first for 3 weeks. He is not the backup kicker, they just never need to kick field goals because they always score touchdowns because their quarterback is fantastic.

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11-13-2011 , 02:21 PM

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Rams take opening kick to Cleveland 33 and punt on 4th and 8. Why? Surely a kicker in the NFL has a decent chance of hitting a 50 yarder.If not just go for it. What is to be gained? 13yds of field position in exchange for a chance at points,makes no sense.

Punt goes into endzone and Cleveland passes to the 40 in 1 play,nice call coach.

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11-13-2011 , 02:35 PM

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Andy Reid.

DJax is benched, Maclin is currently out, and he is still throwing the ball 80% of the time.

HEY FAT ****> YOU HAVE THE NFL'S LEADING RUSHING ON YOUR TEAM.

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11-13-2011 , 04:52 PM

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Atlanta onside kicking down a fg with 4 minutes left. Not sure the logic there.

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11-13-2011 , 05:14 PM

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Kicking the field goal also gives up 15+ yards of field position though even if you don't convert. Instead of giving the opponent the ball on average on like the 25 you're giving it to them inside their own 5. And that's only if you don't get in. Also the opponent is more likely to score a TD down 6 than down 3 anyway cause they won't kick a field goal. Going up 2 scores>>>>than up 6 and they have the ball on the 23>up 3 and they have the ball on their own 5. The fact that coaches are so bad at trying to get into real field goal range/going for the win down 3 makes going for it even better than it would be in a vacuum, too.
This is obviously talking about being inside the 7 or so. I think its still a go for it way more than would be expected points optimal but at the goal line I don't see how kicking isn't grossly incorrect.

If you plug the data into the Advanced NFL calculator:

Down 3, 1:50 left in game. Ball on own 10 yard line = 0.11 win probability

Down 6, 1:50 left in game, ball on own 35 = 0.27 win probability.

Kicking FG is MUCH better than going for it.