You gotta dance with the decisions that brung you.

lol that was worse yeah

Bidz you shot your load too quickly considering ZIMMER did this on MNF:

Anybody ask Ryan Day about the lol extra point to go up 2 in the 4th quarter?

From what I've read he's blaming the loss on officiating. No mention of his decision making or his players' stupidity. Standard.

Now if they give up a safety it’s still tied. Brilliant.

Tomlin just punted down 9 with 4:40 left.



The punt was blocked for a TD

Tenn had just went up 3 TDs so the game meant nothing at that point. They were better off just conceding

No idea if this is "coaching" exactly but if you're Seattle how the **** do you get a delay of game from the 1 yard line after a spike

Pete is awful, like consistently, unbelievably awful.

I'm calling it bad coaching. However, a case can be made that the entire offense was under the impression that a spike is the same as a time-out. If that is the argument, then that can probably be laid on bad coaching as well.

And during the last game of the regular season. With a lot on the line. Idiocy.

They looked like they were basically still in the huddle when the clock expired, so it looks like the above. They were so unprepared, I just assumed it was one of those cases where they were supposed to reset the play clock at one point, and figured I'd see Pete and a bunch of players arguing and doing the palm up signal, but nope.

It's not as bad as most of the posts in this thread but Kyle Shanahan again should have gone for it on 4th and 1 with 2:34 left. I don't care if it was from his own 30. If anything, it allows for more time left if the Seahawks score a TD.

It seems so easy to move the ball late in the 4th with all four downs to work with.

yup esp when FGs are a non issue it makes it so much more worth going for it.

SF had been moving the ball easily all game the odds of them converting 4th n 1 had to be super high.

Found an interesting study done by some Yale students about 4th and 1 conversion rates. They analyzed over 3100 NFL 4th and 1 plays back to 1998. Overall conversion rate is about 65.7%, however QB sneaks were even more successful at 82.8%. Passing plays were the least successful, with RB running plays a little better. But QB sneaks were far superior to both.

Just thinking about how on 4th and inches at the end of the 1st half Seattle decided against a QB sneak and instead ran Lynch behind their backup LT directly at Nick Bosa.

Did it account for the exact length of the "1" though? 4th and a full yard is a whole different animal compared to a foot or less, I'd imagine the vast majority of sneaks came on the latter.

Yeah 1.4 vs. 4" is a gigantic difference.

Also, 4th and 1 while up 4 points and 2 minutes left vs 4th and 1 while down 7 from your own 40 with 2 minutes left have different success rates too (defense in the first scenario doesn't care if you gain more than 1 yard)

No, but they do mention that there may be selection bias and sneaks may be more effective and used more on 4th and inches, which may account for their higher success rate. They did examine QB sneaks on 4th and 2, and interestingly they were successful even more frequently, 89.7%. However the sample size was small, only 29 plays total during the years studied.

They also posit that QBs may audible to a sneak when the defensive alignment makes it most optimal, which could skew the numbers.

That being said the difference is pretty significant so even accounting for these factors I suspect sneaks are underutilized as compared to RB handoffs.

Link to article: https://sports.sites.yale.edu/succes...es-fourth-down

Another interesting analysis done more recently:

http://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/t...y-in-football/

Seattle had 1st & Goal on the 1 and put themselves in a position where they could run the ball ZERO times

After they got 1st down, someone at the bar I was at said, “They can give it to Marshawn this time!” Nope. They ****ed up

whoever is the coach of Western Michigan

3rd down and 1 with 40 seconds left in FG range, QB runs a bootleg and falls over fumbling which they recover.

Immediately takes a timeout leaving 30 seconds. Decides to go for it on 4th and 3rd instead of kicking a FG. Turnover on downs. About to lose as Western KEntucky is now driving thanks to Western Michigan letting them save their timeouts.

If he's not on the team they wouldn't even consider running the ball with whoever they would have instead.

Is there any rule against having one of your up men quickly go under center and run a sneak? Just spent a solid 20 minutes searching through the NFL rulebook and if it is, I can't find it. It's illegal to line someone up directly over a long snapper in a punt formation, so I was thinking that would be a hell of a loophole for one of them to take a couple steps forward like he's about to tell the snapper something, then just quickly snap it instead and sneak it for the yard you need.

The only thing I can think of it would there be something about numbering rules maybe? Quarterbacks have to wear 1-19, is it legal for someone to take a snap from under center wearing a different jersey or would they have to report in like an eligible lineman? Big implications for Taysom Hill's value if true, the guy's versatility is unbounded