Note that Doug Pederson just started going for it on 4th and 2 point conversions, while when Dan Bailey got hurt Garrett made a safety kick XP

Good points, but why do teams never run on the 2-pt conversion. Feels like I've seen 15 passes in a row on them this season

cliff notes on the following comments: terrible, indefensible decsion.. think maybe he thought they were down 6 as calgary had scored single not that long beforehand.

Apparently, Maas - the Edmonton coach - went with "we made a decision and it didn't work out" with the media.... not sure if any media told him "your decision is completely incomprehensible"

basically they kicked a field goal down 7 on the other team's 13 yard line on 3rd and 2. two minutes left (it is more effective time in canadian football but not terribly relevent here)....

so he cuts lead from 7 to 4. has to get ball back and get TD anyway.

he's kicking into the wind if he kicks it deep on kickoff. if the other team stopped you on 3rd down they'd have been on own 13 yard line. now they'll probably be 35 yard line or better for their possession

apparently he'd gone for it on 3rd and 10 earlier in the drive and made it.

on one hand, i'm thinking he didn't know the score. he may have thought it was 6 points in which case i still wouldn't like decision but they can certainly get the ball back and kick a fairly long FG (into wind but they should be able to get decent length FG)

I'm not opposed to fake FG's but trying one with :07 left in the half with a running play (shuffle pass) to a slow TE seems awful. He's got to score a 15+ yard TD or the half is going to end.

Pete Carroll come on down with the fake field goal sweep run on 4th down with 7 seconds left in the half with no actual way for the play to end any way but bad.

the reasonable upside to that play was to kick the same field goal a couple of yards closer if there's still time left ...... just made NO SENSE

But he was was 3% more likely to make the kick after

Pete putting on a command performance tonight - challenging a clear drop. But hey who needs those TOs when you're down 8 in the 4th Q?

Don't forget the timeout to preserve 3rd and 12 instead of 3rd and 17. Pete on his game tonight.

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This forum gives Carroll a bit of a break because his mistakes tend to be on the gambool swanging huevos side. But that fake FG was as bad or worse than anything in fat Mike's repertoire.

wat

Remember he also blew a superbowl.

That pass was infinitely more defensible. But yeah Pete's massive balls seem to rob the blood from his brain sometimes.

With 3:00 left and 1 TO left, Pete decides to kick it deep and TRUST THE DEFENSE (that has given up 27 points).

Sad thing is that this isn't even one of Pete's worst 3 decisions tonight.

Pete knows Matty Ice is working the other side.

I'm actually curious to see the math on this with a 5% onside kick recovery (expected onside kick) chance. Kicking it deep feels better to me.

I do think it's relatively close. Probably would have been right to kick it deep if Pete hadn't pissed away two TOs

Pete Carroll's playcalling resembles mine on madden

Various Edmonton media:

Rob Tychkowski‏
@Rob_Tychkowski
This, even more than choking and making one of the worst coaching decisions in CFL history, is an indictment on Maas. If he doesn't know why that was an indefensible call he shouldn't be coaching.

Shaye Ganam‏
@ShayeGanam
Postgame interview with Maas should be a doozy. That’s the kind of call that will be talked about for years. Absolutely awful play calling. Baffling.

Robin Brownlee‏
@Robin_Brownlee
Sorry, but that FG call was one of the worst coaching decisions you will ever see. When it mattered most, Jason Maas crapped his pants on national TV.

Dallas went for two first play without the kicker and after that had the game basically locked up so it made relatively little difference to match equity while "saving" some 2pt plays for another time.

Suz no way the expected onside recovery rate is 5%, its way higher than that.

Onsides are tougher to recover ever since they changed the rules to prevent kickers from pounding the ball into the turf to make it bounce high in the air. Dribbling the ball and hoping for a big bounce is not reliable and it generally reaches the other team well before the kicking team players arrive. Previously, a skilled kicker could pound the ball into the turf and make it bounce high meaning the kicking players crashed into the receiving players before the ball even came down. With the rule change though the receiving team can just call for a fair catch if the kicker pounds the ball into the turf for a high bounce.

I think it's better than 5% but I seriously doubt it's anywhere close to the old 1/6 recovery rate for expected onsides tries.

When did the rule change on insides kicks? I see it changed in high school but can’t find anything on google with the nfl.

I thought it was 3-4 years ago but maybe I'm just imagining that pop up onside kick rule change.

4th and 2 at your own 29. 8:25 remaining down 14. Perfect example of how NFL coaches fail. You need to go for it and give your team a path to victory. But teams are deathly afraid of "losing" the game before the last 2m. So McVay opts for the punt and pray route. Gets the ball back 6 minutes later down 17.

McVays decision suggests he thinks converting a 4th and 2 is more difficult than forcing a 3 and out. Hes also willing to sacrifice the time it takes to achieve the 3 and out. Terrible.

the old 1/6 number also included surprise onside kicks which have a much higher recovery rate. 1/15 is probably a more accurate number now.