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11-23-2013 , 01:22 AM

#276

robust

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Would have to look at pertinent caselaw to determine how florida court's have interpreted the statute imo.

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11-23-2013 , 01:22 AM

#277

Ray Horton

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Wookie, seems like "wasted" isn't even close to necessary for a per se inebriated rape to have occurred.

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11-23-2013 , 01:24 AM

#278

BAIDS

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wookie,

ever had sex with a woman that you would describe as intoxicated?

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11-23-2013 , 01:25 AM

#279

Cotton Hill

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So, have you had sex with a girl you'd describe as "wasted?"

Yeah, I've had 2-3 girlfriends I've had sex with when we were both pretty drunk.

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11-23-2013 , 01:27 AM

#280

Cotton Hill

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KRAMER: Okay, Jerry, uh, you uh, you drugged a woman in order to play with her toy collection. How do you feel about that?

JERRY: It was great! I've done it a few more time since then.

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11-23-2013 , 01:28 AM

#281

asdfasdf32

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lol

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11-23-2013 , 01:32 AM

#282

brandoncla

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Good gawd dis thread right now. The female decides the next day if it's rape or not. Better stay in dem' good graces, breakfast and thoughtful texts.

Up in here acting like it's impossible for 2 people to get hammered and have sex, with zero rapists involved. FoldnDark your not a rapist, just a guy that had sex with your buddy's sister. She sounds like an amazing person.

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11-23-2013 , 01:33 AM

#283

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

Yeah, I've had 2-3 girlfriends I've had sex with when we were both pretty drunk.

How wasted was she?

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11-23-2013 , 01:34 AM

#284

BAIDS

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wookie why haven't you answered my question. it's quite simple.

are you a rapist or not?

this distinction you're trying to construct between wasted and intoxicated is meaningless, the law is 'very, very clear' on this.

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11-23-2013 , 01:36 AM

#285

MrWookie

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BAIDS,

Nope. I already answered that question ITT.

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11-23-2013 , 01:36 AM

#286

Ray Horton

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I think I've been a rapist. Maybe.

Last edited by Ray Horton; 11-23-2013 at 01:37 AM. Reason: *peruses statute closely*

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11-23-2013 , 01:37 AM

#287

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She sounds like an amazing person.

I can't blame her for being hurt. I'm pretty amazing too.

edit: that's the real reason I shouldn't have slept with her, not because she was drunk or my buddy's sister, but because I knew she wanted more.

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11-23-2013 , 01:38 AM

#288

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BAIDS,

Nope. I already answered that question ITT.

no, you qualified your answer by saying 'not with someone who was wasted', that's not what i'm asking.

i shall repeat,

ever had sex with a woman that you would describe as intoxicated?

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11-23-2013 , 01:43 AM

#289

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Oh look BAIDS being intentionally dense to provoke arguments while maintaining a massive amount of self-righteousness and all around terrible posting.

Great.

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11-23-2013 , 01:44 AM

#290

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

Oh look BAIDS being intentionally dense to provoke arguments while maintaining a massive amount of self-righteousness and all around terrible posting.

Great.

Yep.

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11-23-2013 , 01:46 AM

#291

FoldnDark

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I didn't know they left the internet open this late in Salt Lake City.

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11-23-2013 , 01:46 AM

#292

BAIDS

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lol @ me being the self righteous one when you clowns are suggesting that all men which have slept with a drunk girl are rapists.

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11-23-2013 , 01:47 AM

#293

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Originally Posted by Ray Horton

Wookie, seems like "wasted" isn't even close to necessary for a per se inebriated rape to have occurred.

I don't think this is true, in practice. I think the main ways in which this comes into court use is where the defendant has to argue that due to the intoxication she was somehow incapable of denying consent. So "wasted" would probably be close to what we're talking about.

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11-23-2013 , 01:48 AM

#294

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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

Winston may or may not have done anything wrong, I have no idea.

However the sensationalist media narrative seems to be developing, and it appears they're going to go with the "star football player is a rapist and the school and police covered up for him" route.

Maybe he raped her, maybe he didn't. Anyone making definative statements either way or just believing one side or the other for no reason is foolish imo.

Every time a story like this comes out, you rail against "the media" for blowing it out of proportion, making it an issue, etc. Should the media just not report on anything except game scores?

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11-23-2013 , 01:51 AM

#295

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lol @ me being the self righteous one when you clowns are suggesting that all men which have slept with a drunk girl are rapists.

Yeah BAIDS according to the law in basically every western country if you decide to **** wasted chicks you're liable to rape charges.

Don't mind that though. Keep fighting that good fight.

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11-23-2013 , 01:52 AM

#296

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Some of the Florida State scores could constitute rape as well

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11-23-2013 , 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

Yeah BAIDS according to the law in basically every western country if you decide to **** wasted chicks you're liable to rape charges.

Don't mind that though. Keep fighting that good fight.

so i take it that you don't agree with the following:

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The law is also very, very clear that an existing relationship, a prior agreement to have sex at a later time, or even a verbal statement by a woman saying she wants to have sex after drinking (made when she is sober) is not valid if she becomes intoxicated or if she ever verbally or non-verbally suggests that she is not comfortable having sex anymore.

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11-23-2013 , 01:52 AM

#298

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

Yeah BAIDS according to the law in basically every western country if you decide to **** wasted chicks you're liable to rape charges.

Don't mind that though. Keep fighting that good fight.

BAIDS just doesn't want us to lose sight of the real victims: the men accused of rape.

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11-23-2013 , 01:53 AM

#299

Ray Horton

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

I think the main ways in which this comes into court use is where the defendant has to argue that due to the intoxication she was somehow incapable of denying consent.

Right, but I don't think that would generally be a difficult showing for the defendant to make. She just says: I drank a lot and didn't really know what was going on. A lot could mean 2 or 8 drinks. It's not like she needs to produce a BAC calc or something. And I would think that most defense attorneys wouldn't choose to attack a rape victim's testimony as to her mental state too heavily on cross. In general, her credibility will be given due deference. And I think with good reason, as false rape accusations are vanishingly small.

Just pointing out that the statute paints with too broad a brush.

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11-23-2013 , 01:53 AM

#300

CalledDownLight

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its definitely clear that tdomeski raped the survivor pool.

BAIDS, apparently what I said in that post is only true in some states unless the woman is not willfully getting drunk on her own accord.

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