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11-10-2013 , 05:19 PM

#476

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Lets start with white guys leaving voicemails calling people half-******s?

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11-10-2013 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

No we can't "all agree" on that since we have no idea what Icognito was doing.

It's confirmed he called Martin a "half-******". If we can't all agree that that is wrong then there is something very wrong.

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11-10-2013 , 05:23 PM

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It's confirmed he called Martin a "half-******". If we can't all agree that that is wrong then there is something very wrong.

Not really.

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11-10-2013 , 05:37 PM

#479

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Originally Posted by sethypooh21

Lets start with white guys leaving voicemails calling people half-******s?

And a week before that Martin sent a text that he was going to kill his entire family. WTF are you even thinking.

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11-10-2013 , 05:47 PM

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And a week before that Martin sent a text that he was going to kill his entire family. WTF are you even thinking.

Lol you.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1512467

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11-10-2013 , 05:56 PM

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Lol you.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1512467

This doesn't really counter his argument, as it demonstrates that context matters more than the words themselves.

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11-10-2013 , 05:56 PM

#482

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Lol you.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1512467

Oh so it was a joke! Just like the voicemail that was left that cut off the part with incognito laughing and saying to call him back. And obviously Martin thought it was funny since he was sharing it with everybody in the locker room.

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11-10-2013 , 05:59 PM

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Lol you again for doubling down. Sending a meme = calling someone a half n-

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11-10-2013 , 06:01 PM

#484

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Lol you again for doubling down. Sending a meme = calling someone a half n-

Yes, Incognito is the first person in the history of the world to call one of his friends a racial slur.

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11-10-2013 , 06:02 PM

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Great, so going with the other people do it excuse?

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11-10-2013 , 06:04 PM

#486

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Great, so going with the other people do it excuse?

So your whole point of bullying is that incognito called Martin a ****** one time?

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11-10-2013 , 06:06 PM

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Yes, Incognito is the first person in the history of the world to call one of his friends a racial slur.

Because that makes it ok? Making a big deal of this sort of thing is how social change can actually happen. If it's shrugged off because "other people do it too" then nothing ever changes.

I don't doubt that Incognito was doing everything jokily and probably didn't even mean to/realise he was causing any distress to Martin. That absolutely does not mean it's ok.

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11-10-2013 , 06:07 PM

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So your whole point of bullying is that incognito called Martin a ****** one time?

Lol, Murtha, the one you apparently find so credible on the Vegas story, said Incognito called Martin half n- all the time. And this idiot thought he was defending Incongito by saying that!

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11-10-2013 , 06:10 PM

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In before RRR comes in saying calling him that all the time without Martin fighting him makes it better, right after writing it off as a one time incident.

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11-10-2013 , 06:10 PM

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Great, so going with the other people do it excuse?

You realize there's nothing intrinsically immoral with the n-word, right? The meaning, and what is communicated along with that word is extrinsic, and thus depends on those communicating it. Therefore, if those communicating have no moral qualms with its usage, then there is nothing immoral with it. Now, it can be argued rightly that using that same word openly, i.e. with those that don't share your usage, is immoral as they might take that word to mean something else, and suffer harm from its usage. But that was presumably not the case here.

Cliffs: context matters in private conversations.

EDIT: The above isn't specifically targeted towards Incognito & Martin, but to the usage of the n-word in conversation given that all involved parties understand its usage (regardless of the parties' race).

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11-10-2013 , 06:11 PM

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So the voicemail which was shared around the locker room is the smoking gun. Yet Martin voted incognito to the leadership council this season which was after he had been called a dumbass ****** the whole year before? And Martin also sent incognito a text congratulating him on the dolphins victory after he left the team? When you take your blinders off and see that jonathon martin is just not right for the nfl and his **** mother is grasping for straws so that her son can keep his signing bonus, then maybe you will understand.

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11-10-2013 , 06:17 PM

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Is making every rookie get up and sing in front of the whole team hazing ? because the Colts do that.

Bears rookies from this season had to get Vets snacks and water, not use the elevator and one had a Tarantula put on his bed , is this hazing?

Is making every rookie get their hair shaved stupidly hazing?, because the Pats do that.

You can look at Incognito and easily see that he is way over the line but a lot of the teams proclaiming their superiority are a lot closer to it than they seem to realise.

How about stealing a rookie's brand new car? Is that hazing?

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11-10-2013 , 06:18 PM

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How about stealing a rookie's brand new car? Is that hazing?

Yes, but the person who did it was probably bullied into doing it.

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11-10-2013 , 06:19 PM

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So why did Martin text Incognito to talk about the Dolphins win after leaving the team if Incognito had "caused such distress" again???

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11-10-2013 , 06:25 PM

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Keep ****ing that chicken.

When Martin says "Yeah I'm good man. It's insane bro but just know I don't blame you guys at all it's just the culture around football and the locker room got to me a little," you guys just assume that he is basically calling himself a pussy, couldn't at all be the case that being called a half n- is part of the culture that got to him. While he says he is not blaming them, he does say he is blaming the culture and who is responsible for the culture in the locker room other than the people that actually compose it?

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11-10-2013 , 06:27 PM

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Or maybe it was the culture of him sucking ass and being demoted from left to right tackle? Last year he was ranked 65th out of 67 tackles, and has gotten worse this year.

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11-10-2013 , 06:30 PM

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What about when he stole a rookie's car? Or when he told Incognito he was going to kill his whole family? And why did Jon Martin exchange over 2000 texts with a such a big, mean, racist bully in Incognito? (Jay Glazer saw and has verified these text messages). Jon Martin, like others recently, didn't want to play football anymore but unlike the others who just walked away he lawyered up and came up with this as the way to keep his money and probably end up settling for even more.

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11-10-2013 , 06:32 PM

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Or maybe it was the culture of him sucking ass and being demoted from left to right tackle? Last year he was ranked 65th out of 67 tackles, and has gotten worse this year.

Has it occurred to you the hazing and bullying may be the cause?

Are you telling me Martin should have ignored Incognito's texts? Do you ignore your supervisor's texts?

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11-10-2013 , 06:32 PM

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If that was his only issue, he gets benched and still collects his guaranteed money. How is that better than ostracizing yourself, risk getting nothing and giving a lawyer a cut of the money you were going to get anyway?

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11-10-2013 , 06:33 PM

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I don't doubt that Incognito was doing everything jokily and probably didn't even mean to/realise he was causing any distress to Martin. That absolutely does not mean it's ok.

...but that would mean that Incognito isn't morally culpable (for this).

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