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07-05-2009 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SteelersDMW
Robert Stock was the starting catcher for USC this year and just got drafted by the Cardinals as a pitcher. He's not a good hitter but will at least be passable for his ability behind the plate.
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Originally Posted by kkcountry
so my question is, who would be the better team between one comprised of entirely mlb position players or one with only mlb pitchers?
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07-05-2009 , 03:09 PM
You can probably find a pitcher somewhere among the 350 MLB pitchers that was a catcher in college... he'll be passable behind the plate but not very good
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07-05-2009 , 03:21 PM
The hitters would murder. That is all.
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07-05-2009 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
You can probably find a pitcher somewhere among the 350 MLB pitchers that was a catcher in college... he'll be passable behind the plate but not very good
and it's a double edged sword, because the "one" pitcher in the
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07-05-2009 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
You can probably find a pitcher somewhere among the 350 MLB pitchers that was a catcher in college... he'll be passable behind the plate but not very good
And it's a double edged sword, because the "one" pitcher in the MLB that could play catcher probably isn't that great of a pitcher, and a guy with a 5+ ERA normally going up against All-Star quality hitters is a recipe for disaster.

I also think it's not as tough to pitch as you guys think. These guys won't be laboring trying to blow heat by guys. They'll just be up there Nick Swisher esque trying to throw strikes without lobbing the ball over, most pitchers won't be able to crush the ball consistently, that's why they're pitchers..
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07-05-2009 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeth

AGame, you make some good points... the best defensive CF in baseball is probably Chris Young. Pujols is a very good defensive 1B, so there's no reason not to use him
I think Young being THE BEST is very questionable, but he wouldn't be a good fit anyway because he can't hit lol. Torii Hunter and Ichiro would be my Center and Right Fielders, with a bunch of choices for left.

Yea Pujols would be good enough at 1B, and he's just so incredible as a hitter that you'd need him on the team. A better one might be Rollins > Hanley or Phillips > Utley.
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07-05-2009 , 03:43 PM
Hunter's not really THAT good a glove anymore... he's getting old now. If you want offense/defense combo you'd probably want Beltran, assuming he's ever healthy again
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07-05-2009 , 03:52 PM
oh man, is kyle gonna pissed
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07-05-2009 , 03:54 PM
I wonder if any of the huge pitchers would be able to play a decent defensive 1B. Chris Young/Randy Johnson/etc would be a big help on catching airmailed throws if they could do so.

Also, needs more love for revised MLB Team v All-Star-Pitching scenario. Too much "Hanley/Pujols/etc would crush face" ITT.
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07-05-2009 , 03:57 PM
I mean he won the gold glove last season (his 8th in a row) and still seems to put up his share of web gems and is having one of his best offensive 1st halfs statistically ever, I dunno seems like an easy choice for me. Beltran would be a fine choice too if he's not hurt. Nate Mclouth as well.
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07-05-2009 , 03:59 PM
web gems! gold gloves!
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07-05-2009 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AGame18
I mean he won the gold glove last season (his 8th in a row) and still seems to put up his share of web gems and is having one of his best offensive 1st halfs statistically ever, I dunno seems like an easy choice for me. Beltran would be a fine choice too if he's not hurt. Nate Mclouth as well.
Nate McLouth was the worst defensive center fielder in MLB last year. He looks good because he catches everything he can reach, but he's actually terrible because his range is awful

Gold gloves mean nothing. Rafael Palmeiro notoriously won a 1B gold glove in a year in which he DH'd like 130 times
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07-05-2009 , 04:52 PM
how do you rate someone on their defense?

To say Gold Glove means nothing is silly, overrated maybe. But the ole "well I watch him play and know he's the tits" is getting old. Back up some stats or reason for why McLouth is awful and Chris Young is the best.
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07-05-2009 , 04:59 PM
John Dewan's plus/minus (which imo is one of the best defensive stats out there) rated the top five CFs in 2008 thusly (0 being league average for the position in question):

1. Carlos Gomez +29
2. Carlos Beltran +25
3. Chris Young +21
4. Shane Victorino +14
5. Cody Ross +13

McLouth was a whopping, stunning, -41, the worst figure by any player in baseball at any position. That means he was 41 runs (roughly 4 wins) worse than an average CF. It wasn't a one year aberration, either; he was below-average in 2007 (-5) and is again bad in 2009 (-2 in the partial season). But again... people that watch him think he's great because he never makes errors, and he has that scrappy-white-guy reputation going. But the statistics are pretty much unanimous that his range is really, really bad. I've watched him and my eyes square with that, too -- McLouth gets late jumps on balls and is particularly bad chasing stuff that's hit over his head

I think most people who watch a lot of baseball and/or scouts agree Chris Young is an elite defensive CF, and he's been statistically rated as such since he entered the league (he was #3 in plus/minus last year and is #1 so far this year)

Gold gloves are just completely ridiculous
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07-05-2009 , 05:17 PM
Chris Young is a very good defensive player, I just said I don't know if hes the best. Regardless he'd be bad for this because he can't bat .250 or .220 for that matter.

Id rather have McLouth with "subpar Dewan numbers" than Chris Young for this team.
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07-05-2009 , 05:19 PM
Also "never makes errors" sounds pretty sweet to me
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07-05-2009 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AGame18
Also "never makes errors" sounds pretty sweet to me
Jeter makes very few errors. Jeter wins Gold Gloves. Jeter SUCKS at defense.

Also, Billingsley read this thread and is auditioning for a spot on the Pitcher's team, 2-2 with a double and a HR today!
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07-05-2009 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AGame18
Also "never makes errors" sounds pretty sweet to me
it's almost as important as web gems when rating players defensively
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07-05-2009 , 05:36 PM
Can't make an error on a ball you can't reach in the first place
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07-05-2009 , 05:55 PM
I changed my mind , I forgot that the pitchers are going to suck in every defensive position but pitching.
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07-05-2009 , 07:21 PM
i think the pitcher all star team vs the worst possible major league position player team (without playing players out of position) would be basically a coin flip
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07-05-2009 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gehrig
i think the pitcher all star team vs the worst possible major league position player team (without playing players out of position) would be basically a coin flip
aren't the nationals about as bad at defense as the pitchers would be and they wouldn't have santana pitching for them?
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07-05-2009 , 07:23 PM
actually i take that back. i guess you could probably find 15 major leaguers who couldn't pitch to a high school girl's team
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07-05-2009 , 07:24 PM
what does the worst defensive team look like?

how many positions would dunn play?
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07-05-2009 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Phildo
web gems! gold gloves!
I admit I lol'ed.

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Originally Posted by AGame18
how do you rate someone on their defense?
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Originally Posted by AGame18
Also "never makes errors" sounds pretty sweet to me
I can't decide if this guy is leveling or not. I'm leaning not.
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